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Spotting an Arahant

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Spotting an Arahant

Postby unspoken » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:30 am

For a long time I see that people would sometimes identify if someone who claims themselves as an Arahant. To see he is a real or a fake Arahant by the "factors of Arahant" something like that. But how do we actually know that person is an Arahant if, he do not claim himself as Arahant but he is one?

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:47 am

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby unspoken » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:11 am

Sadhu!

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby ajahndoe » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:21 am

You wouldn't believe them if they told you, because you see enlightenment as something special and beyond normal reach. They see simply what is here, fully accepting the temporal nature of their lives and all phenomena. Mind and matter. Sights, sounds, tastes, bodily sensations, smells and mental formations. They are the least special of all, being at once everything and nothing in particular, no more than part of the stream of life we all share.

It will never serve you to seek the Buddha, any Buddha, outside of your own mind.

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby PeterB » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:23 am

Which mind ?

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby ajahndoe » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:54 pm

The mind that sees, hears, smells, tastes, feels (body/touch), thinks/cognizes, perceives, remembers, is aware of emotional feelings.
The mind that sees these words.

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby Annapurna » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:08 pm

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby unspoken » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:44 pm

Because If I am so lucky enough to saw one,I can ask him on how and what should I do in my meditation

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:14 pm

The problem is, that its so very difficult to know about the inner purity of another.

Anyone can be happy and gay as long as life goes along his own way
but the man worth while is the man with a smile, when everything goes dead wrong.

An intelligent person can observe a teacher for a long time, while living closely together with him or her, and after seeing no trace of anger or lust, even in ways of speech, they may come to regard that teacher as an Arahant, or on the path to Arahantship.

For example, I heard that at one time, when the Venerable Mahāsī Sayādaw was taking his meals, a heavy ceiling fan crashed to the ground beside him. Had it hit him it could easily have killed him. Apparently, he was completely unshaken by this event, whereas most of us would have been deeply shocked. Such anecdotal evidence about great teachers is not proof of anything very much, but still it is possible to gain confidence in a teacher after a long association.

On the other hand, unintelligent and gullible persons can easily be misled by false teachers. After seeing a few magic tricks they are deeply impressed, and regard their teacher very highly. It is a very dangerous situation for such devotees. If anyone points out that their guru is just a charlatan, they will get very angry and defensive. They donate lavishly, and lose their wealth, perpetuating the myth to all of their friends. Their friends are swept away in the flood.

So, one should not concern oneself too much with the teacher's reputation, but listen carefully to the teaching, comparing it with the Dhamma and Vinaya that one has heard elsewhere, to see if it fits in with it. Best of all, is to practice hard and gain personal realisation through insight, then one will be quite independent of any teacher.

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:06 am

In terms of magic tricks- it is interesting that the Buddha discouraged 'magic tricks', yet he openly admitted that he was not 'just' a normal human being. There is something in us humans that get drawn into the mysterious- something bigger and beyond ourselves. If there is genuinely something to that effect, and it helps to help others, I wonder what the ethics of revealing such a thing is...

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Re: Spotting an Arahant

Postby AnonOfIbid » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:39 am

Don't worry about others. Just worry about yourself, then when YOU become an arahant, that'll settle it. No more questions, right?

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