Extreme is the New Normal

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Re: Extreme is the New Normal

Postby Alex123 » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:57 pm

andre9999 wrote:
Alex123 wrote:Even if humans have never appeared, the atmosphere would be 99.9986% the same.[/b]


I enjoy that you call your viewpoint "the truth", yet you honestly believe that you're able to determine the atmospheric impact of humanity to .0001%.

Bravo.


Is my math in viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6963&start=260#p118950 wrong? You are free to correct it and I'll gladly change the number.

In brief:

check:
How much CO2 we put into atmosphere vs how much nature puts. ~3.76%
How much of CO2 is in the atmosphere. 0.039%
How much CO2 humans add to the atmosphere.. 0.0014664%
How much natural atmospheric fluctuations vs human CO2 addition gives. 99.9985336% (100-0.0014664)

my sources were:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-c ... ssions.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/ ... an_mlo.txt
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Re: Extreme is the New Normal

Postby andre9999 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:04 am

Alex123 wrote:Is my math in viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6963&start=260#p118950 wrong? You are free to correct it and I'll gladly change the number.


You are hilariously arrogant to think that you or anyone else can be accurate in a calculation like that.

I hope the mods don't mind me proverbially poking you with a stick (they probably do). But despite my failure at Right Action this is fairly enjoyable watching you get worked up.
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Re: Extreme is the New Normal

Postby Alex123 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:15 am

All,

I like to think for myself, and sometimes enjoy to check the numbers rather than accept "opinion of the experts" (even of climate change skeptics).

I simply cannot understand how human contribution of 0.0014664% of CO2 to the atmosphere causes climate change.

If humans have contributed more than 50%, then I would agree. But variability withing natural cycle , and various astronomic events would easily erase all the human produced "additions".

Here is a simile:

Lets say two people put money in the common bank account. Each year Andrew puts in $10,000 while Bob puts 15 cents.

Who put in the real money, the one who put in 99.9986% of the money, or the one who put in 0.0014664% ?
Even without Bob, the bank account would be almost entirely up to Andrew, not Bob.

Andrew stands for nature.
Bob stands for humans.
Bank account stands for the atmosphere.
Inflation is natural noise & variability of internal/external conditions: Volcanic emissions, obliquity, eccentricity, solar activity, etc.

The yearly inflation would easily erase all contribution made by Bob.
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Re: Extreme is the New Normal

Postby andre9999 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:30 am

I can see that you're addressing me, but beyond the "Andre," greeting, I can't figure out why you're going on and on.

Do you understand that I am not interested in hearing your viewpoint? I am starting to think that you are just desperate that someone - anyone - listen to what you have to say. You've become nothing but a broken record.
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Re: Extreme is the New Normal

Postby bodom » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:13 am

The OP has requested that this thread be closed. It is long past due.

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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