YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

Working at a Glock factory? - Dhamma Wheel

Working at a Glock factory?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
User avatar
Phoenix1991
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:58 am
Location: Carinthia, AUT
Contact:

Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Phoenix1991 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:07 am

Hi everyone!

Sorry for bursting in here like that without introducing myself - I'm just in a hurry (I'll definitely do that later though :-) ).

I'm desperately seeking a job, it's incredibly hard to find one and I'm also in a hurry because I'm under pressure by our employment office, but I'm not sure whether working at a Glock factory could be considered particularly skillful? Right livelihood means not trading with weapons and earning your living with peaceful means, but - I need a job; some job.

What do you think about this?

:namaste:
"Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old." - Franz Kafka
"Not until we are lost do we begin to understand ourselves." - Henry David Thoreau

User avatar
pilgrim
Posts: 1348
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:56 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby pilgrim » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:22 am

Working at a weapons factory would be way down my list of preferences. But I would take the job if there is little choice and I need the employment. However, even so, I would avoid working in any dept that has a direct input to the production line, testing, packing, selling etc. Acceptable divisions could be support functions like accounts, cleaning, food, human resources, adminstration and so on.

Mawkish1983
Posts: 1286
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:46 am
Location: Essex, UK

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:25 am

I think you just have to decide what kamma you are happy to be the heir to.


User avatar
Phoenix1991
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:58 am
Location: Carinthia, AUT
Contact:

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Phoenix1991 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:52 am

Yeah, it's WAY down my list of preferences too. I don't like the thought of having to work there at all. :thinking:
"Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old." - Franz Kafka
"Not until we are lost do we begin to understand ourselves." - Henry David Thoreau

User avatar
pilgrim
Posts: 1348
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:56 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby pilgrim » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:13 am

There seems to be a kind of "exception" ( for lack of a more appropriate word) on Right Livelihood if your mind is free or relatively free from defilements. See Dhammapada 124 and its commentary. Not that I recommend the job but if you find yourself in it, you may wish to bear this in mind.

PeterB
Posts: 3909
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby PeterB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:19 am


User avatar
pilgrim
Posts: 1348
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:56 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby pilgrim » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:30 am

I wouldn't take a black and white approach to this. In the modern world of the mega-corporations the grey areas have become a lot larger. I work in a plc that is mostly in property and hotels. That means somewhere in there, there is also sale of liquor. But I am not directly involved in it.

I'm aware there may not be many such areas in a Glock factory. But it depends how distant your work is from the actual production and sale of weapons. How desperate are you ? if the work is actually on the production line, how long will it take before you can get another job? Having a little money and being in a position to do some good with it is preferable to being homeless or desperate.

PeterB
Posts: 3909
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby PeterB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:56 am

I would take an absolute black and white approach to this.
I am not about to go all relativistic when discussing SOMEONE ELSES kamma-vipaka.

User avatar
Annapurna
Posts: 2639
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:04 pm
Location: Germany
Contact:

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:00 pm

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

User avatar
Lazy_eye
Posts: 996
Joined: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:23 pm
Location: Laurel, MD
Contact:

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Lazy_eye » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:16 pm

But perhaps, as Pilgrim wrote above, it depends on what you would actually be doing for them. I don't see that being a janitor at a Glock factory would be as problematic as working on the production line. And even working on the production line isn't as uncool as being involved in marketing and sales (where you are actively working to persuade people to buy lethal weapons).

Relativism is inevitable when talking about such matters because all human endeavors, outside of the monastic life at least, generate kamma to some degree, no?

PeterB
Posts: 3909
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby PeterB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:26 pm

I think the idea is to reduce rather than increase negative Vipaka.
And working in an arms factory is guaranteed to increase negative karma vipaka...just as surely as being a slaughterman. Or drug dealer.

User avatar
andre9999
Posts: 465
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:04 pm
Location: Milwaukee, WI, US
Contact:

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby andre9999 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:27 pm


PeterB
Posts: 3909
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby PeterB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:29 pm

None.

User avatar
andre9999
Posts: 465
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:04 pm
Location: Milwaukee, WI, US
Contact:

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby andre9999 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:04 pm

Nein.

PeterB
Posts: 3909
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby PeterB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:10 pm

Neit.

User avatar
kirk5a
Posts: 1959
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:51 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:13 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

Jhana4
Posts: 1309
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:20 pm
Location: U.S.A., Northeast

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:20 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

User avatar
kirk5a
Posts: 1959
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:51 pm

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:33 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

Jhana4
Posts: 1309
Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:20 pm
Location: U.S.A., Northeast

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:22 pm

I didn't know that, I heard it was an automatic weapon, which I assumed was machine gun.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

User avatar
Phoenix1991
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:58 am
Location: Carinthia, AUT
Contact:

Re: Working at a Glock factory?

Postby Phoenix1991 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:40 pm

"Anyone who keeps the ability to see beauty never grows old." - Franz Kafka
"Not until we are lost do we begin to understand ourselves." - Henry David Thoreau


Return to “Sīla”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine