Should such a subforum happen on this Forum and should it follow the pattern set by ZFI the discussion leaders would be the Bhikkhus......(.whether they would want that role is another issue altogether.) Just as on ZFI the discussion leaders are Zen lineage holders
Aloka is correct longevity in Dhamma is not enough in itself. As one Ajahn was heard to say " show me a man with 20 years meditation experience which is self directed and I will show you a man with one years experience repeated 20 times.."
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I actually think Peter's idea has merit and I would back a trial to see how it worked here. That is, if board software has the functionality, wasn't an onerous impost on mod/admin and 'teacher-designates' time and the support of my mod/admin colleagues.
If Peter's idea doesn't get off the ground, we can produce a close facsimile of it by drastically reducing the amount of off-topic (inc meta-discussion) posts we are individually responsible for. And it will go a long way in making a significant improvement of everyone's experience of DW.
kind regards
Ben
If Peter's idea doesn't get off the ground, we can produce a close facsimile of it by drastically reducing the amount of off-topic (inc meta-discussion) posts we are individually responsible for. And it will go a long way in making a significant improvement of everyone's experience of DW.
kind regards
Ben
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Learn this from the waters:
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Personally speaking, I find some of the most intelligent, applicable, inspirational (for me), answers and comments come from 'regular' participants here...setting people up as 'teachers', no matter their station in life, or this forum, is a recipe for sour apples...just one more 'feeling' from this corner...
Be well...
Be well...
Re: Ask A Teacher.
Hi Bhante,
Just a thought!
I have similar concerns regarding the use of the term 'teacher'. Perhaps then we just need to change the terminology if this idea was to proceed?appicchato wrote:Personally speaking, I find some of the most intelligent, applicable, inspirational (for me), answers and comments come from 'regular' participants here...setting people up as 'teachers', no matter their station in life, or this forum, is a recipe for sour apples...just one more 'feeling' from this corner...
Be well...
Just a thought!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
Re: Ask A Teacher.
Its sad to see that a knee-jerk egalitarianism has infected the Sangha.appicchato wrote:Personally speaking, I find some of the most intelligent, applicable, inspirational (for me), answers and comments come from 'regular' participants here...setting people up as 'teachers', no matter their station in life, or this forum, is a recipe for sour apples...just one more 'feeling' from this corner...
Be well...
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a recognition of teacher status .
It would not be compulsory for people who are more comfortable pissing into the tent rather than out of it.
And the forum will never run out of those.
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Here we go...
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What does this mean?It would not be compulsory for people who are more comfortable pissing into the tent rather than out of it.
I've been enjoying Yuttadhammo's series of "Ask A Monk" on youtube. It's very interesting to see what concerns ordinary people have who are drawn to this practice, and how an ordained person responds to these with some sensitivity.
It would also be very interesting to see how these responses vary from different monks. Although they may be said to be all chanting from the same chanting book..
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It means that there will always be those who prefer to knock around the periphery of a forum rather than engage with its core mission. Which in the case of Dhamma Wheel is to discuss the Dhamma Of The Theravada.
That is of course their perogative...and that there will always be those who will turn up at any sign of a fight, almost like male moths being drawn by the scent of a female moth two miles away....its uncanny.( Just watch the names at the bttom of the page and see who turns up at the slightest whiff of dissonance...after a while you can predict it with complete confidence... ) rather than place questions to those named as having the authority to answer.
And that is of course THEIR perogative.
That is of course their perogative...and that there will always be those who will turn up at any sign of a fight, almost like male moths being drawn by the scent of a female moth two miles away....its uncanny.( Just watch the names at the bttom of the page and see who turns up at the slightest whiff of dissonance...after a while you can predict it with complete confidence... ) rather than place questions to those named as having the authority to answer.
And that is of course THEIR perogative.
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M'kay. Thanks Peter. Perhaps that is the case.
Folk want/need to "know" that they are "right" and that they are backing the "winning" team don't they?
But that can apply equally to "engagers" who emphasise or invite contention, and voyeurs who just seek it out, can it not?
I don't think anyone can draw a line which definitively separates "me" from practicing "The Dhamma of the Theravada".
It will always get personal and messy to some extent, won't it?
Folk want/need to "know" that they are "right" and that they are backing the "winning" team don't they?
But that can apply equally to "engagers" who emphasise or invite contention, and voyeurs who just seek it out, can it not?
I don't think anyone can draw a line which definitively separates "me" from practicing "The Dhamma of the Theravada".
It will always get personal and messy to some extent, won't it?
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Sorry Imagemarie I am a simple soul, I have no idea what any of that means.
The nearest I can get to any kind of meaning seems to suggest a non dual view.
Which if so forms no part of my experience nor aspiration.
The nearest I can get to any kind of meaning seems to suggest a non dual view.
Which if so forms no part of my experience nor aspiration.
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How about if there was a way for people who want to "ask a monk/ask a teacher" to submit their questions privately somewhere, where the submissions could be viewed by the designated teachers, who can then (if they choose) make a post containing both the question and their answer in it. It might even be helpful to omit the name of the person who submitted the question.
Then, the thread may or may not be left open for comments and questions from forum members.
Then, the thread may or may not be left open for comments and questions from forum members.
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Greetings,
I sense the bhikkhus here do not want to be forcibly put up on a pedestal, as this would undermine their Dhammic efforts towards humility and release of mana (conceit). I respect this. If we were to take what is being talked about and consider it analogously to a "meatspace" environment, it's akin a grand assembly, where venerables Appicchato, Pesala and co, are sat up on high, luxurious chairs as individuals come up and circumambulate them and pose questions to them in front of a captive audience, seeking definite Dhamma teaching and instruction. I don't think that's fair on them - who says they want to be distinguished as "teachers", who says their preceptors would even endorse such a thing? It seems awfully problematic to me and whilst it sounds like a nice idea on the surface, I think it's fraught with problems and inconvenience.
I'm just pleased we have here some ordained members who will lend their perspectives when they feel it is appropriate to do so - I think those offerings should be appreciated for what they are.
Metta,
Retro.
Which leads me to wonder, given that we don't have a great deal of active monks here, if someone wanted to ask a monk or someone who they viewed as a "teacher", couldn't they just PM the person and ask the question?octathlon wrote:How about if there was a way for people who want to "ask a monk/ask a teacher" to submit their questions privately somewhere
I sense the bhikkhus here do not want to be forcibly put up on a pedestal, as this would undermine their Dhammic efforts towards humility and release of mana (conceit). I respect this. If we were to take what is being talked about and consider it analogously to a "meatspace" environment, it's akin a grand assembly, where venerables Appicchato, Pesala and co, are sat up on high, luxurious chairs as individuals come up and circumambulate them and pose questions to them in front of a captive audience, seeking definite Dhamma teaching and instruction. I don't think that's fair on them - who says they want to be distinguished as "teachers", who says their preceptors would even endorse such a thing? It seems awfully problematic to me and whilst it sounds like a nice idea on the surface, I think it's fraught with problems and inconvenience.
I'm just pleased we have here some ordained members who will lend their perspectives when they feel it is appropriate to do so - I think those offerings should be appreciated for what they are.
Metta,
Retro.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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I find it worthwhile to hear from the ordained members perspective as well as many of the non-ordained. Definitely good to create an environment where the venerables feel welcome and I hope to be able to see many more posts from them.
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As you know Retro the idea originally came from dropping into ZFI and seeing how well it works there.retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
Which leads me to wonder, given that we don't have a great deal of active monks here, if someone wanted to ask a monk or someone who they viewed as a "teacher", couldn't they just PM the person and ask the question?octathlon wrote:How about if there was a way for people who want to "ask a monk/ask a teacher" to submit their questions privately somewhere
I sense the bhikkhus here do not want to be forcibly put up on a pedestal, as this would undermine their Dhammic efforts towards humility and release of mana (conceit). I respect this. If we were to take what is being talked about and consider it analogously to a "meatspace" environment, it's akin a grand assembly, where venerables Appicchato, Pesala and co, are sat up on high, luxurious chairs as individuals come up and circumambulate them and pose questions to them in front of a captive audience, seeking definite Dhamma teaching and instruction. I don't think that's fair on them - who says they want to be distinguished as "teachers", who says their preceptors would even endorse such a thing? It seems awfully problematic to me and whilst it sounds like a nice idea on the surface, I think it's fraught with problems and inconvenience.
I'm just pleased we have here some ordained members who will lend their perspectives when they feel it is appropriate to do so - I think those offerings should be appreciated for what they are.
Metta,
Retro.
But on reflection it seems that most of the forum Bhikkhus do not see themselves as having a role analogous to that of Zen teachers. Among a number of differences between Bhikkhus and Zen teachers is the obvious fact that that fewer of the former have access to a PC.
It was probably ill thought through..Forget I spoke.