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Weltschmerz and Buddhism

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Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:44 am

Greetings,

weltschmerz

defintion: mental depression or apathy caused by comparison of the actual state of the world with an ideal state

etymology: German, from Welt world + Schmerz pain

(source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weltschmerz)

A three-part question...

1. To what extent do you, or have you, experienced weltschmerz in the past?
2. To what extent has your Dhamma practice alleviated weltschmerz?
3. To what extent has your Dhamma practice contributed towards weltschmerz?

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby Rui Sousa » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:53 am

That reminds of a character in a Woody Allen film that got depressed because the universe was contracting :jumping:

1 - Very much when I was a teenager
2 - Realized that my view of the world as it is, and my view of world as it should be, are not important.
3 - .
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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby Ben » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:12 pm

What is the world?
The khandas or the realm?
Thanks retro

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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby genkaku » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:36 pm

Hi retro -- I think practice contributes to a sense of Weltschmerz to the extent that it is idealized ... that anyone might imagine things could be different. I think it alleviates that sense when the imagination takes a break ... as through practice.
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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby Fede » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:43 pm

Isn't a quasi-idential sentiment (in English) possibly, Nostalgia?

We hark back to a time when the world seemed a rosier and better place to be in....granted, much has changed over the years, but is that not the Law of Impermanence?
And many may say that things have gone 'downhill', but there is much to see that has gone 'uphill' too..... (not without a struggle, mind, at times...) :thinking: :smile:
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Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby gavesako » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:02 pm

They have a similar expression in Thai which is used often in dhamma context: salot samvekh (Ajahn Jayasaro translates it as "sober sadness"). It is derived from the Pali word samvega which is a quality that makes us want to practise Dhamma.
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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:01 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:04 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Weltschmerz and Buddhism

Postby zavk » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:29 pm

With metta,
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