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A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby IanAnd » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:47 pm

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby morning mist » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:02 pm

Hi Nathan,

There are people who suggest that we don't need jhana for full enlightenment. Then there are those who say we need jhana but have different interpretation of jhana. I personally feel that if that is how someone want to approach jhana , that is perfectly fine. I have no interest in discussing a certain teacher's approach to jhana . But since someone brought up the topic of discussing various interpretation of jhana, that is why we are discussing it. Otherwise, I would also say that we each practice the approach that suit us. I also agree that it is best that we focus on the practice rather than the theory or criticizing a certain teacher's approach without having at least read the whole book . That could easily lead to misrepresentation.

By the way nathan, you mentioned that you experienced four jhanas of Samma Samadhi and various formless states, were you able to recall many fold past lives and have knowledge of the passing away and reappearance of beings as the Buddha and his disciples did after they attained these states, or are the states that you called Samma samadhi and formless states different than the one they practice ?


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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby nathan » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:47 pm

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:30 am

I think one can state that they are logicaly equivalent, thus rendering your colourful argument futile.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:31 am

I must say I don't understand half of what you say because of the pali terms. It would be considerate to use english with pali in brackets.

Anyway, I was making a purely logical exercise until I realised that you are trying to say that Ajahn Brahm's jhanas have perception. Is this what you're trying to say?
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: A Critique of Brahmavamso’s “The Jhanas”

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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