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Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Mawkish1983 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:16 pm

There hasn't been a nuclear explosion. There isn't even a chain reaction in the core.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:35 pm

I've been reading about the Japanese nuclear power plant both here and on slashdot.org. On both sites there have been two predominant views. One has been

"Aw heck, this is just a paper cut, I'm having a picnic on the grounds next week and I'm not canceling"

and

"Officials have announced a catastrophic meltdown, but are waiting to see if the eruption of the volcano and the release of Godzilla from the glacier will slow it down"
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby christopher::: » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:43 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Justsit » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:39 am

...The system is designed to be safe, when not damaged....

Engineers and other "Experts" offer scientific rationales for why certain disasters cannot happen.

The problem is, systems DO become damaged, they do not operate as designed, and then they are not safe.

For some unknown (to me, anyway) reason, scientists seem to eliminate the extremes of catastrophic event prediction as if the fact that that certain probabilities are so small, they can be ignored. Therein lies the peril. Those highly unlikely scenarios do in fact develop. Cf, Deepwater Horizon. Dunno, maybe it's just plain arrogance?

The current situation with the reactors in Japan is another example. Yes, there were three redundant cooling systems in the reactors, and still disaster strikes. The TEPCO representative said, problems developed that we couldn't foresee. No kidding.

So, IMO, when you hear a scientist say Oh, it's safe, nothing to worry about....yup, it may be safe, right up until it isn't...time to get the hell outta Dodge.

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Postby christopher::: » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:50 am

There are areas of science that deal with this, chaos theory, complexity theory. If you watch the movie Jurassic Park Jeff Goldblum's charactor is a chaos theorist, he talks of this. Along with ignoring very minor probabilities with super high risks scientists also sometimes ignore cumulative and synergistic effects, such as exposure to multiple drugs or toxins that then have a powerful damaging effect. Actually, that seems to also be the case here, it wasn't one thing going wrong but several things going wrong at the same time, which then trigger additional problems. In something like the it was one very minor thing, a small sealing ring, which then set everything else in motion.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby octathlon » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:54 am

Unfortunately, a third explosion, at reactor#2 this time, appears to have damaged the reactor itself and they have evacuated all but a minimal number of workers.
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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:28 am

Here's a good clear explanation of the technology and the damage up to the time it was written - i.e. not including the latest events.


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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:51 am

The explanations by nuclear energy fans have been reassuring, but those explanations keep coming before the news gets worse and worse.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:53 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby christopher::: » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:20 am

This is a very good explanation (short video and with visuals) from NHK News, translated at CNN, of how the 3 safety systems failed bringing them to the point where salt water was pumped in. It doesn't explain what's happened since...

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby GIDGE » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:37 am

:(

An incredibly brutal reminder that EVERYTHING is impermanent. Even the containment vessel.

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