Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Nikaya35 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:06 am

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turquoiseJack wrote:I'm wondering now how much this Anguttara Nikaya will cost new, can any body give me a round about figure?


It should be around the same size as the Samyutta, so I would guess around the same price range as well, brand new, im guessing $90-$100 from Wisdom Pubs.

Im wondering what color the dust jacket will be? Im thinking yellow...

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So the book should be around 2000 pages with that price range like the Samyutta.
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Reductor » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:09 am

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bodom wrote:
turquoiseJack wrote:I'm wondering now how much this Anguttara Nikaya will cost new, can any body give me a round about figure?


It should be around the same size as the Samyutta, so I would guess around the same price range as well, brand new, im guessing $90-$100 from Wisdom Pubs.

Im wondering what color the dust jacket will be? Im thinking yellow...

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So the book should be around 2000 pages with that price range like the Samyutta.


I think that the Anguttara has fewer repetitious passages than the Samyutta, which means there will be more pages due to fewer editorial omissions. I wonder just how many more. Hmm.
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Nikaya35 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:19 am

:anjali:[/quote]
So the book should be around 2000 pages with that price range like the Samyutta.[/quote]

I think that the Anguttara has fewer repetitious passages than the Samyutta, which means there will be more pages due to fewer editorial omissions. I wonder just how many more. Hmm.[/quote]
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:18 am

thereductor wrote:I think that the Anguttara has fewer repetitious passages than the Samyutta, which means there will be more pages due to fewer editorial omissions. I wonder just how many more. Hmm.

The old PTS translation of the AN and SN seem to both run to about 1500 pages.

Bhikkhu Bodhi's SN is about 2100 pages. My impression is that there are more words per page oin his translations, but they gain length with a lot more introductory material and footnotes. My expectation would be that his AN would be similar.

In any case, I'm looking forward to having modern translations of the entire first four Nikayas, which will be particularly appreciated when reading books with copious references...

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Nikaya35 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:34 pm

Does anyone Know the release date of the book ? I can't wait to have it .
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Nikaya35 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:30 pm

Where I can buy the Anguttara Nikaya from another publisher and another translator ? I want it now . I can not wait for the bihkku Bodhi edition it seems we have to wait at least a few years.
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:35 pm

http://www.palitext.com/

PTS has the complete Anguttara Nikaya and it is a good translation.
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby IanAnd » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:49 pm

maitreya31 wrote:Where I can buy the Anguttara Nikaya from another publisher and another translator ? I want it now . I can not wait for the bihkku Bodhi edition it seems we have to wait at least a few years.

While I can understand this sentiment, and even to some degree agree with it, the wait for Bhk. Bodhi's translation will be well worth the time spent waiting once we see the final product. The time and care he puts into writing the Introductions and footnotes is well worth waiting for in order to get his insightful and experienced take on the Dhamma.

It shouldn't be too much longer before it's ready for publication. In the meantime, I can highly recommend Nyanaponkia's Anthology of the Anguttara, as it is filled with an excellent choice of suttas along with insightful commentary in the footnotes. Yes, it's only about one tenth the length of the full Anguttara, but even so, the choices made in sutta selection was well considered in terms of importance in being able to better understand the Dhamma.

mikenz66 wrote:In any case, I'm looking forward to having modern translations of the entire first four Nikayas, which will be particularly appreciated when reading books with copious references...

Indeed. Translated by Western practitioners whose personal practice gives them a stake in discerning and communicating the correct intent of the suttas. Nothing could be more valuable than that.
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Nikaya35 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:05 pm

IanAnd wrote:
maitreya31 wrote:Where I can buy the Anguttara Nikaya from another publisher and another translator ? I want it now . I can not wait for the bihkku Bodhi edition it seems we have to wait at least a few years.

While I can understand this sentiment, and even to some degree agree with it, the wait for Bhk. Bodhi's translation will be well worth the time spent waiting once we see the final product. The time and care he puts into writing the Introductions and footnotes is well worth waiting for in order to get his insightful and experienced take on the Dhamma.

It shouldn't be too much longer before it's ready for publication. In the meantime, I can highly recommend Nyanaponkia's Anthology of the Anguttara, as it is filled with an excellent choice of suttas along with insightful commentary in the footnotes. Yes, it's only about one tenth the length of the full Anguttara, but even so, the choices made in sutta selection was well considered in terms of importance in being able to better understand the Dhamma.

mikenz66 wrote:In any case, I'm looking forward to having modern translations of the entire first four Nikayas, which will be particularly appreciated when reading books with copious references...

Indeed. Translated by Western practitioners whose personal practice gives them a stake in discerning and communicating the correct intent of the suttas. Nothing could be more valuable than that.


Bhikku Bodhi series of Nikayas and In The Buddha Words are excellent ( I also brought the Digha Nikaya ) . I have all of them but I want the Anguttara Nikaya as soon as possible . So many important and interesing sutras that I want to read and study.
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby dhammapal » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:42 am

IanAnd wrote:
maitreya31 wrote:Where I can buy the Anguttara Nikaya from another publisher and another translator ? I want it now . I can not wait for the bihkku Bodhi edition it seems we have to wait at least a few years.

While I can understand this sentiment, and even to some degree agree with it, the wait for Bhk. Bodhi's translation will be well worth the time spent waiting once we see the final product. The time and care he puts into writing the Introductions and footnotes is well worth waiting for in order to get his insightful and experienced take on the Dhamma.

It shouldn't be too much longer before it's ready for publication. In the meantime, I can highly recommend Nyanaponika's Anthology of the Anguttara, as it is filled with an excellent choice of suttas along with insightful commentary in the footnotes. Yes, it's only about one tenth the length of the full Anguttara, but even so, the choices made in sutta selection was well considered in terms of importance in being able to better understand the Dhamma.

See an Anguttara Nikaya Anthology by Nyanaponika Thera and Bhikkhu Bodhi on the Buddhist Publication Society website in three parts:
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh155-p.html
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh208-p.html
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh238-p.html

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Nikaya35 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:47 pm

:namaste: :namaste: :smile:
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IanAnd wrote:
maitreya31 wrote:Where I can buy the Anguttara Nikaya from another publisher and another translator ? I want it now . I can not wait for the bihkku Bodhi edition it seems we have to wait at least a few years.

While I can understand this sentiment, and even to some degree agree with it, the wait for Bhk. Bodhi's translation will be well worth the time spent waiting once we see the final product. The time and care he puts into writing the Introductions and footnotes is well worth waiting for in order to get his insightful and experienced take on the Dhamma.

It shouldn't be too much longer before it's ready for publication. In the meantime, I can highly recommend Nyanaponika's Anthology of the Anguttara, as it is filled with an excellent choice of suttas along with insightful commentary in the footnotes. Yes, it's only about one tenth the length of the full Anguttara, but even so, the choices made in sutta selection was well considered in terms of importance in being able to better understand the Dhamma.

See an Anguttara Nikaya Anthology by Nyanaponika Thera and Bhikkhu Bodhi on the Buddhist Publication Society website in three parts:
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh155-p.html
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh208-p.html
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh238-p.html

With metta / dhammapal.

Thanks you . :namaste: :smile: :smile:
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:40 pm

Note that there also a PDF version on the BPS site, better if you want to print the volumes:
http://www.bps.lk/onlinelibrary_wheels.asp#trans

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:56 pm

Greetings,

I'm putting off reading the anthologies to save me double reading the same translations. (I assume Bhikkhu Bodhi won't revise those translations, at least not in any substantive manner)

There'll be enough reading to do, as it is! :reading:

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:25 pm

retrofuturist wrote:I'm putting off reading the anthologies to save me double reading the same translations. (I assume Bhikkhu Bodhi won't revise those translations, at least not in any substantive manner)

Actually, I agree with putting off reading them because there may well be significant changes from the translations from 30-40 years ago and there will certainly be considerably more detailed references to ancient and modern commentary and analysis, and cross-referencing to other suttas.

There are significant differences even between editions of the MN (as I found out when involved in a sutta study group (I think we had all three editions between us). I think the sutta discussed in this thread viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7726 is a case where the later edition has changed the paragraph under discussion, and I recall that in some suttas we discussed the English word used for some Pali term or other had changed.

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:29 am

Greetings Mike,

..... and if that's the way the dice rolls I'll be happy to have waited too.

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby dhammapal » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:06 am

mikenz66 wrote:
retrofuturist wrote:I'm putting off reading the anthologies to save me double reading the same translations. (I assume Bhikkhu Bodhi won't revise those translations, at least not in any substantive manner)

Actually, I agree with putting off reading them because there may well be significant changes from the translations from 30-40 years ago and there will certainly be considerably more detailed references to ancient and modern commentary and analysis, and cross-referencing to other suttas.

There are significant differences even between editions of the MN (as I found out when involved in a sutta study group (I think we had all three editions between us). I think the sutta discussed in this thread http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7726 is a case where the later edition has changed the paragraph under discussion, and I recall that in some suttas we discussed the English word used for some Pali term or other had changed.

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Hi Mike,
The BPS Anthology includes this quote:
Copyright © Kandy, Buddhist Publication Society, (1970)
First edition: 1970.
Second edition: 1980.

BPS Online Edition © (2010)
Digital Transcription Source: BPS.

For this edition, the revised translations by Venerable Bodhi as given in the Numerical Discourses of the Buddha have been used with his kind permission.
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh155-p.html

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PS Don't forget Thanissaro Bhikkhu's translations on Access to Insight! I like them because I can post them for free distribution without having to ask for copyright permission.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/index.html
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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:14 am

Hi Dhammapal,

Doesn't that refer to the revised version issued in 1980?

http://www.amazon.com/Numerical-Discour ... 0742504050

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby dhammapal » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:28 am

Hi Mike,

I have the original Wheel 155 published and printed in 1981 and no mention of Bhikkhu Bodhi just Nyanaponika Thera.

Wikipedia says that Bhikkhu Bodhi's anthology was in 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhikkhu_Bodhi

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby Cessation » Tue May 03, 2011 11:10 pm

Anyone know any new info on the release date? I finished the samyutta not too long ago by Bhikkhu Bodhi and I can't wait to read this one aswell.

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Re: Bodhi watch... or waiting for the Anguttara

Postby BKh » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:31 pm

Good news on the Wisdom site:

Wisdom Publications has received Bhikkhu Bodhi's new translation of the Anguttara Nikaya, which is currently being reviewed by our editor. Any available information or updates on this project will be announced in the Wisdom Reader e-newsletter.


http://www.wisdompubs.org/pages/display ... n=&image=1

It doesn't have it's own news page, just found on the pages for his other books.
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