Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:44 am

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Mawkish1983 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:57 am

My old PhD supervisor (Prof. Andrew Sherry) was just on TV on the BBC Breakfast news program. Seems the heating problem is caused by the corrosion of the fuel rod cladding, which is an exothermic reaction.

Not sure if I believe an exothermic corrosion reaction could heat the fuel rods enough for them to catch fire... a bit skeptical here.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby chownah » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:58 am

Poto,
Thanks for the links....they're both great.....
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:58 am

He should stick his head in the reactor and make sure, if it is so safe.

Sorry if I'm caustic.

The first contamination has arrived in Germany, 2 hours from me, on the Airport Munich.

The airplane's surface is contaminated.

WONDERFUL....where will it go from here?
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Mawkish1983 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:52 am

Using in a lesson this afternoon about the ethics of nuclear power. Should generate some good discussion.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby fragrant herbs » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:49 pm

It is all too late
Nuclear Power
has nailed our fate.
Closed the coffin
all upon us.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:29 pm

Dear... :console:

We continued after Chernobyl.

Perhaps we'll find a way out of this too.

But then,- it has to stop.

Which will be hard, because some people still can't read the signs...

Yesterday, I watched on TV how the different nations are reacting to this....it seems in some parts of the Czech republic the 'message' hasn't arrived yet.

There are rather uneducated people working in nuclear plants, it feeds their bellies, work is all they want, and since their boss told them their reactor is safe they believe him....

They think the rest of the wolrd is being hysterical and has bad plants.

And that they have a good one, of course.
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:43 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby Annapurna » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:55 pm

Dear Jhana, thank you.

Perhaps they wíll wash down the airplane, -how this may be done and where the water or the chemicals will go I don't know...in any case it will radiate here now. I'm sure it's not any different with other airlines and other lands...

They said inside of the airplane there weren't any radioactive particles.

Or perhaps they only say so...?

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby GIDGE » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:02 pm

Among the renewable energy sources, hydroelectric, geothermal, biogas, biomass, solar thermal with storage and ocean thermal energy conversion can provide baseload power.
So many people argue that demands won't be meant and I completely disagree.

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Postby christopher::: » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:02 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby chownah » Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:34 am

I think that the biggest problem with nuclear power is that the bureaucrats who make the decisions do not understand it very well......these same bureaucrats are running society in general and it often looks like they don't understand society very well either......maybe we should retire the bureaucrats and let the nuclear engineers run society?.....don't you think that would be better....
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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby phil » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:00 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby phil » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:18 am

Today the head of the Keidanren, which is the most influential business special interest group in Japan spoke out in praise of Japanese technology, how Tokyo Electric should (and I grasp for a suitable translation) walk around proudly with its chest pufed out today because...and I kid you not...its reactors stood up to the strongest earthquake on record. Shows how blind the profit motive can make people.

I haven't followed this thread, but forgive me for being cynical. There is a Japanese proverb that says someting like "once it's past the throat, the heat is forgotten." In a few months, it'll be back to business around the world. The global economy will collapse without nuclear energy, and nobody will let that happen. We wouldn't be here clicking away merrily at Dhammawheel without nuclear energy, I suppose someone's brought that up by now. Not praising it, just accepting it as a necessary evil for now. That will change, gradually, but the industrialized nations are not going to accept a global economic meltdown in order to avoid the risk of further nuclear meltdowns. Ain't going to happen.

To show that I am not a complete nuke apologist, here is some info about a campaign that is going on in Japan now to shut dwn plants that are still operating in Japan. Both are within the broad range of the earthquake fault that caused this, there was a strong aftershock in Shizuoka where one of them is the other day, very strong, but they are still in operation. I guess the justification is that the electricity grid obviously would collapse completely with the current shortages. Again an example where the reality of living in modern society makes nuclear energy an inevitable evil for now. (Here I go again.) If info on these campaigns has already been posted, sorry.

http://hamaokan.hamazo.tv/c578993.html
http://yumikikuchi.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... clear.html
Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby christopher::: » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:11 am

How you doing there, phil?
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Discussion of Nuclear Power and Safety

Postby christopher::: » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:07 pm

thanks octathlon.

A friend just showed me this chart. If accurate it's very interesting. Shows how dangerous a total meltdown like Chernobyl was but also gives a much better sense of how radiation levels from Fukushima, 3 Mile Island and various sources compare.

As i understand it the workers at Fukushima recently had their radiation dose limit raised from 100 to 250mSv....

http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/


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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009


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