Giving the precepts

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Giving the precepts

Postby adeh » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:00 pm

Just a quick question....can a layperson give the precepts to another layperson, or can they only be given to a layperson by a bhikkhu or bhikkhuni?
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Re: Giving the precepts

Postby Fede » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:04 pm

You can TAKE the Precepts yourself, unless of course you are ordaining....

At the risk of sounding ignorant, could you clarify in which context you mean?

And are you also perhaps thinking of Taking Refuge?
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Re: Giving the precepts

Postby andre9999 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:13 pm

Fede wrote:You can TAKE the Precepts yourself, unless of course you are ordaining....

At the risk of sounding ignorant, could you clarify in which context you mean?

And are you also perhaps thinking of Taking Refuge?


As in, "I don't feel like taking the precepts myself because they're a pain in the butt. I'm going to give them to Fede instead." :)
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Re: Giving the precepts

Postby adeh » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:21 pm

I'm asking about the 5 precepts....I don't know if they do this in other lineages, but there is a whole formula in Pali for taking the precepts that we use (our teacher is a bhikkhu in a Burmese lineage) and it involves asking the bhikkhu three times to be given the 5 precepts and then being given the precepts...
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Re: Giving the precepts

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:51 pm

Just a thought, is it OK to take the precepts if they're not given? :juggling:

Lay meditation teachers can give the precepts. After all, you're not "taking" them from anyone, you're "undertaking" to observe them, with others as your witness — that's all.
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Re: Giving the precepts

Postby adeh » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:59 pm

Thank you Bhante...I've often taken the precepts myself at home, just to reaffirm them to myself...
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