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Looking for Suttas

Postby clw_uk » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:47 pm

Greetings

im trying to find two suttas but with no luck

the first one contains this passage

"Udayi, whosoever can recall the khandhas he has previously occupied in great number, of such a person would it be fitting to question me about past lives, or I could so question him; that person could satisfy me with an answer thereof, or I him. Whosoever sees the passing away of beings and their subsequent arisings, of such a person would it be fitting to ask me about future lives, or I could so question him; that person could satisfy me with an answer thereof, and I him.

"Enough, Udayi, of former times and future times. I will teach you the essence of the Dhamma: When there is this, there is that. With the arising of this, that arises. When there is not this, that cannot be; when this ceases, so does that."



The second one contains this

The householder, Gandhabhaga, having sat down at a respectful distance, addressed the Blessed One thus, "May the Blessed One teach me the origin and the cessation of suffering."

The Blessed One replied, "Householder, if I were to teach you the origin and the cessation of suffering by referring to the past thus, 'In the past there was this,' doubt and perplexity would arise in you thereof. If I were to teach you the origin and the cessation of suffering by referring to the future thus, 'In the future there will be this,' doubt and perplexity would arise in you thereof. Householder, I, here and now, shall teach you, here and now, the origin and the cessation of suffering."



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Re: Looking for Suttas

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:33 pm

See http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... nation.htm
The references are [M.II.31] and [S.IV.327]. (Majjhima Nikaya and Samyutta Nikaya).

This means volume II page 31 of the PTS Pali version. You'll see those page numbers in decent translations (like the Nanamoli/Bodhi MN translation, where they are in the page headings and in square brackets in the text). On Access to Insight they are written like {M ii 31} but that particular Sutta is not on ATI, it seems, looking at the index: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/index.html

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Re: Looking for Suttas

Postby clw_uk » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:46 pm

Thanks mike

I was always confuses with what it means with [M.II.31] and [S.IV.327]. I got the M standing for majjhima nikaya but the numbers confused me


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Re: Looking for Suttas

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:02 am

I hope it's clear now.

There is more detailed explanation of how Suttas are referred to on Access to Insight here:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/abbrev.html
Other authors may vary this a little...

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