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Pali Canon

Postby rick » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:33 pm

Hello all---I have a question that may or may not seem strange to you. I have the Long, Middle, Connected and Numerical Discourses and have read the Long and Middle, and then it occured to me, should they be read in any particular order? This is important to me, as I've been a practicing Buddhist for about two years and want to do what is proper. I may also add that follow the Mahayana tradition, however, the Pali Canon is an integral part of my studies. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you---In Peace---Rick

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:51 pm

Hi I had this question some time ago and the responces I recieved were pretty standard
personal preferance really but dont remember off hand the order I think if you look on Access to Insight at the Pali Cannon the order is as the colections are presented?
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:11 am

Greetings Rick,

I'm in the process of going Samyutta > Majjhima > Digha

The reason for this order was that I've read (I think it was Ajahn Sujato who mentioned this) that generally speaking, textual studies show that the material of the Samyutta Nikaya is actually amongst the oldest of the Pali Canon, whereas the Digha Nikaya tends to be closer to the other end of the spectrum.

The Samyutta and Majjhima are great but for different reasons. I get the feeling after reading the Samyutta, you've really read just about all the teachings you'll need to read, whereas the Majjhima is a little better at contextualising them and is less repetitive, both of which make it an easier read.

However you approach it, I'd recommend you put the Digha last. It's very wordy.

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby rick » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:24 am

Thank you very much, Retro. Seems that I've gone backwards from what you have said, but nonetheless have benefitted tremendously. I understand that Bhikku Bhodi is translating another part of the Pali Canon, is that correct??---In Peace---Rick

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:27 am

Greetings Rick,

Bhikkhu Bodhi has already translated part of the Anguttara Nikaya and I think I heard somewhere he's working on the rest of it? I might be interpreting that wrongly though, so treat it purely as rumour for now.

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:55 am

Hi Retro,

retrofuturist wrote:Bhikkhu Bodhi has already translated part of the Anguttara Nikaya and I think I heard somewhere he's working on the rest of it? I might be interpreting that wrongly though, so treat it purely as rumour for now.


Yes, I understand it's nearly close to completion.

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby stuka » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:06 am

Dhammanando wrote:Hi Retro,

retrofuturist wrote:Bhikkhu Bodhi has already translated part of the Anguttara Nikaya and I think I heard somewhere he's working on the rest of it? I might be interpreting that wrongly though, so treat it purely as rumour for now.


Yes, I understand it's nearly close to completion.

Best wishes,
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:13 am

alright, another reason to spend money!! :mrgreen:
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby rick » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:37 am

Yes, that has triggered something in the dim recesses of my mind, that is the Nikaya he is working on, thank you.--Rick

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:39 am

Greetings,

Actually, for me it's a good way to save money, as I was toying with ordering Bhikkhu Bodhi's partial anthology of the AN... no need to now. I understand it's actually quite a long Nikaya in terms of wordcount, does anyone know for sure?

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Through corruption of the Dhamma comes corruption of the discipline, and from corruption of the discipline comes corruption of the Dhamma. This is the first future danger as yet unarisen that will arise in the future. You should recognize it and make an effort to prevent it. (AN 5.79)

"If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good." - Thomas J. Watson

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby rick » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:18 pm

I've gotten the Numerical Discourses through Amazon, and they're part of this particular Nikaya, no? By the way, have purchased all the Pali Canon books I have through Amazon, get a great discount and free shipping. That helps when you are on Social Security and every cent counts.---In Peace--Rick Happy New Year to all!!

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Will » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:47 pm

According to a note at Access, Bhante Bodhi says it contains around 2300 suttas; his translation of the SN has about 2900, so this new one will be a fat tome, but not quite as plump as the SN.
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:14 pm

Hi Retro,

retrofuturist wrote:I understand it's actually quite a long Nikaya in terms of wordcount, does anyone know for sure?


Why, of course we do! You mean to tell us you've never bothered to count how many words there are in the four Nikayas!? What have been doing since you became a Buddhist?

Seriously though, I’ve never done a word count, but the Pali text files on my computer are of the following sizes:

Vinaya Pitaka 3.9 MB

Sutta Pitaka:

- Digha Nikaya 1.4 MB
- Majjhima Nikaya 2.3 MB
- Samyutta Nikaya 2.5 MB
- Anguttara Nikaya 2.9 MB
- Khuddaka Nikaya 6.6 MB

Abhidhamma Pitaka 8.1 MB

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Will » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:14 pm

The note over at Access also pointed out the AN has many suttas that differ only by one word, yet are counted as differing suttas. Another person estimated that AN had 1800 or so suttas. So I guess it depends on where you draw the line.
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby rick » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:24 am

That certainly is alot to read and study. One of my favourites I've recently read and use for meditation is from the Majjhima Nikaya--the Bhaddekaratta Sutta. Of all that I have studied concerning our mortality, this beautiful Sutta strikes home the best, a wonderful way to help me realize my limited existence in this lifetime.--In Peace--Rick

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Dhammakid » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:52 am

Thank you for all the wonderful information, everyone.

I would like to start reading the Tipitaka as well. Where can I get complete sets of what is currently available? Amazon?

Namaste,
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby rick » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:57 am

Greetings Dhammakid---Amazon would certainly be the least expensive way, that is how I assembled my sets, I just checked and they have some good prices--with the added bonus of free shipping over $25.00. In Peace---Rick :)

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Dhammakid » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:48 am

rick wrote:Greetings Dhammakid---Amazon would certainly be the least expensive way, that is how I assembled my sets, I just checked and they have some good prices--with the added bonus of free shipping over $25.00. In Peace---Rick :)


Thanks Rick! How much did you spend all together?

And does anyone know which parts of the Tipitaka are and are not available on A2I?

Namaste,
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Re: Pali Canon

Postby rick » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:08 am

Hello Dhammakid---I spent quite a bit, as I got all the 3 Nikayas, plus the Numerical Discourses. However, the first one I got was "In the Buddha's Words", which made me want to read more. I couldn't purchase all of them at once, living on S.S. doesn't allow for that.--Check out Amazon, though, all those books are over $25 I believe, and therefore eligible for free shipping.---Rick

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Re: Pali Canon

Postby Will » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:05 pm

rick wrote:Greetings Dhammakid---Amazon would certainly be the least expensive way, that is how I assembled my sets, I just checked and they have some good prices--with the added bonus of free shipping over $25.00. In Peace---Rick :)


Using the Amazon Used category, not New, is pretty good. But ABE can sometimes beat Amazon for used prices:

http://www.abebooks.com/?cm_ven=ggl&cm_ ... hgodCm9zQw
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