"Don't trust your thoughts" -- in Pali canon?

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"Don't trust your thoughts" -- in Pali canon?

Postby Indrajala » Sun May 15, 2011 4:00 pm

Hello friends!

I'm presently translating one of the earliest sūtras to be translated into Chinese. It is called the Sūtra in Forty-Two Sections《四十二章經》, which is basically a collection of quotes from the Buddha neatly packaged as a single text. It actually reminds me of the Dhammapada in some ways. It is a Śrāvakayāna text.

I'm wondering if the following quote corresponds to anything in the Pali canon?

佛告沙門:慎無信汝意,意終不可信。慎無與色會,與色會即禍生。得阿羅漢道,乃可信汝意耳。
The Buddha told the monks, “Be careful not to trust your thoughts as those thoughts ultimately cannot be trusted. Be careful not to meet with physical desires, as meeting with physical desires will see misfortune born. It is only when you attain the path of the Arhat that you can trust your thoughts.”
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Re: "Don't trust your thoughts" -- in Pali canon?

Postby Adrien » Sun May 15, 2011 4:05 pm

Not totally similar but :

So in this case, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability (...)

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.065.than.html
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Re: "Don't trust your thoughts" -- in Pali canon?

Postby Indrajala » Sun May 15, 2011 4:08 pm

Adrien wrote:Not totally similar but :

So in this case, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability (...)

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.065.than.html


I know this quote, but I'm wondering if the same meaning is to be found somewhere in the Pali canon. Don't trust your thoughts unless you're an Arhat. :thinking:
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Re: "Don't trust your thoughts" -- in Pali canon?

Postby Indrajala » Sun May 15, 2011 4:11 pm

By the way, does anyone know of a site that compares side-by-side Pali texts with the Chinese Āgama texts? I saw it once.
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Re: "Don't trust your thoughts" -- in Pali canon?

Postby Adrien » Sun May 15, 2011 6:45 pm

I think this is what you're looking for : http://www.suttacentral.net/
The problem is that you can't really use it to compare the tipitaka with the agamas if you don't read chinese...
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