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Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Sun May 29, 2011 3:29 am

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In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby mikenz66 » Sun May 29, 2011 3:55 am

I second Jhana4's recommendation (with a slight correction to the title:

In the Buddha's Words, An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon, Bhikkhu Bodhi
http://www.wisdompubs.org/Pages/display ... n=&image=1
You can read a detailed review and the first chapter there.

I've not seen a sutta collection that comes close to giving the breadth of the Buddha's teaching as Bhikkhu Bodhi's collection. Wings To Awakening is also excellent, but it is much more focussed on particular aspects of the teachings. And to me it reads more like a Thesis than an introduction. (Not a bad thing, just a different thing.).
You can read it on-line and as a PDF here: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Sun May 29, 2011 4:09 am

"Wings To Awakening" is available in just about every kind of electronic format, for free, under the sun. I don't know if it is still true, but a very nice hard copy at one time could be obtained by writing away to Thanisarro Bhikkus monestary.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby danieLion » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:56 am

Hi ALL,
Thanks for the great posts. So I read Wings to Awakening and just started In the Buddha's Words. These books are very different from other books I have read (Thich Nhat Hanh, Goldstein, Kornfield, Chogyam Trungpa, Upasika Kee, etc...) Bhikkhu Bodhi also talks about the bodhipakkiyadhamma and the Wiki site on it looks good to me too. From what little I know. How important is bodhipakkiyadhamma overall? Maybe I am looking to hard for a condensed Buddhism, but I like the way the concept seems to kind of streamline the Buddha's teachings.
Daniel

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Re: Goenka technique

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..

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Re: Goenka technique

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Jhana4 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:46 pm

Have you ordered hard copies of Wings To Awakening recently? Like I wrote, I'm wondering if they *still* send paper copies.

Venerable Dhammasiri is still very much himself, but I think he might have changed, at least somewhat. The monk who teaches meditation has been away traveling. The junior monk who lead the officiated meditations in his absence is now also away. Venerable Dhammasiri not only attended the evening meditation the other night, but he officiated it himself.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Goenka technique

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I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854

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Re: Goenka technique

Postby Featherlight » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:37 pm

Having attended a couple 10 day courses with a completely bare perception (non religious, never interested in isms and only explored them till i got a firm sense of dogma). I later served a couple courses as well, which experience, by the way, is equally essential as sitting as for "why", one can only experience the answer to that question. However as my practice evolved also did my discomfort. A bit of that feeling like being in a space you dont belong in after a while. Something whitin was stretching and i was insisting on staying contracted. Vipassana as i experienced it is a self revelatory technique. As one sheds... Or becomes aware... So does the technique engage one. After all observing sensation, particularely in initial stages is still done very much with the participation of the conscious mind, despite what is being theoretically presented at the course. Not that onservation is a characteristic solely specific to this layer but mostly due to the same habbit of engaging the superficial mind that makes meditation such an ordeal for most in initial stages. As the observer is revealed, layer by layer, as the conscious is mastered, the technique its self opens to a new form or non-form for more appropriate expression. I will avoid ellaborating where vipassana is for me, for the same reason talking about the experiences is discouraged in general (birthing expectations/desires is a great obstacle; i've experienced it my self whem one good friend and fellow meditator presented me with a blissful experience of a sudden "heart opening" that created much frustration for a me that was still wallowing in physical pain at that time and never since experiences the then described very intimate experience... However gained interesting insight regarding my appearent incapacity to rejoyce in my brothers and sisters success... As the method is not linear, every experience is after all "right" and useful). At a 10 day corse if i well recall, old students are actually gently encouraged to foow their experience rather then rigidly follow rules as beginners are for a good reason required to do.
As for why and how does observing sensation burn away or undo or remove anything at all... It doesent really as the expectation of an outcome is in a sense contrary to the technique its self. When we become aware of a particular thing, the level of our awareness equates with the level of our mastery. Observing bodily sensation we initially will mostly take note of familiar feelings and some unfamiliar ones, subtler ones might appear as a lack there of. Yet as the awareness is sharpened sensations become obvious for which we might not have a name or the point of reference, if any, is vague. As we incorporate these sensations into our awareness, in a progressive fashion as we practice we master not only the sensation but all of its appendages hence reactivity becomes less and less authomatic and much more volitional. In a sense we are de-victimized from the respective mind body unit. So, yep, remain alert, remain attemptive, do your practice dilligently and persistently and all is comming.
As for wether mr Goenka's format of this technique is for everyone... Yeas and No. The Buddhist infusion of the technique might offend some meditators even though it is masterfully mild it still reveals a bit of the teacher's attachent perhaps to his religious/cultural background and i state this with all respect for someone who I gratefully view as my Great Teacher. We are all walkers on the same path. Some atumble around in the bushes, some walk in the light, some take dead end twist and turna from which they must return and some walk under the protection of the shade. In my personal experience perhaps the "only" bizarrery of this technique as presented by mr Goenka, the one thing that scratches my ear is the "this is the only way"... Which might be true or not true it just seams like such anlimiting statent and if i knew no better it would almost sound mildly arrogant to say that one can only master grough a 10 day Vipassana course passed down trough U Bha Kin as well as the constant rhetoric about a particular embodiment of the Buddha (out of its i finite expressions) as the source of this inner woking that seams like an easy onset for a religion specially in our society already deeply conditioned towards religious thinking. Yet all this is dust in the wind that dedicated practice takes care of. I take the usefull and humbly release what does not serve. It is wonderful to be able to practice in silence and comfort for 10, 20 etc days donation based and that is a huuuge contribution made possible by Mr.Goenka and each meditator after all. Let your personal i sight take care of the rest. May all ne happy! Be free! And may the True path be revealed to all as they are ready.


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