Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby christopher::: » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:10 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby bodom » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:36 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:41 am

I think the point is being missed here....or rather the context.
This is a transcript of a translation of an extemporised talk given by Luang Por Chah to monks who were already his disciples.
It is not a generalised homily written for future generations of unaffiliated westerners.
It assumes a number of things. Chief of which is the given nature of the student/teacher relationship.
It is saying that those who are in relationship to a teacher can find teaching in nature. Or find those teachings illustrated and reinforced.
A wider knowledge of Luang Por's thought...including a direct knowledge of his legacy via his successors would make that clear. He is not advocating a Romantic view of nature of a kind so adroitly skewered by Bhikkhu Thanissaro .
A view of nature which the late M.C.O'Walsh dismissed as Blue Doming " as in "my vihara is the blue dome of the sky "...

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby christopher::: » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:52 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby bodom » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:39 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:38 am

It is not clear to me how nature is teaching Dependant Origination (for example )....in contrast for example to our learning about D.O as a consequence of the event under the Bo Tree, and then seeing it work out in terms of arising phenomena.
Incidentally i would be most interested to hear which Thai or Lao term was translated as " nature" in the above quotation.

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby christopher::: » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:41 pm

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:15 pm

That is my point. D.O. cant be learned from "nature..." ( whatever that is ).

Anicca and Dukkha can be observed in " nature". Spiritual seekers before the Buddha , particularly in the Vedic Dhammic traditions, developed samadhi states that enabled them to observe Anicca and Dukkha...
But D.O.is unique to Buddha Dhamma . It has to be discovered or rediscovered by a Sammasambuddha. It is the acme of Buddha Dhamma. Its sine qua non. It can not be deduced from " nature".
And Luang Por was not suggesting that it could.
He was referring to the way that natural phenomena are in accord with the Buddhas teaching. Not that they merely by observation can convey the breadth and subtlety of the Buddha's Dhamma.

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby bodom » Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:46 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:20 pm

Looks like European sensibilites being projected backwards and sideways to me Bodom.

Perhaps we could start with a definition of "nature". Which requires a definition of " unnature".

My dictionary gives a definition of nature thus,

"The totality of all animals plants and landscapes, excluding that which is man made. "

Does anyone else see a problem with this ? :smile:

Firstly...the man made must of necessity be of nature. Man isn't an add-on.
Secondly.....Upekkha means no emotional distinction between forest and mall...doesn't it ?

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby bodom » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:01 pm

I guess peter. :shrug:

This has become unnecessarily complicated, at least for me it has, and as you often say, "Life is too short."

I will continue to enjoy the beautiful scenery in my part of the world, see the Dhamma of it, and wont loose a bit of sleep over it.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:02 pm

Me too Bodom...we bought a property by the River Thames overlooking water meadows, and paid a premium for the view...My attempts at Haiku are full of the imagery.
But I know in my heart that the idea is to be equally peaceful and non resistant to being in the middle of Piccadilly Circus or Times Square..

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:11 pm

Sorry if its already been posted — I could not see it with a quick browse through the thread.

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:17 pm

Thank you Bhante..
:anjali:

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby PeterB » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:37 pm

I dont actually think we are in disagreement Beeblebrox. I would agree that if we see that which is human apart from nature we make a false dichotomy.

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Re: Ajahn Chah's Life & Dhamma Teachings

Postby christopher::: » Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:24 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009


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