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Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:14 pm

With the death toll rising to 23, and hundreds sick, the "probable " cause of the new strain of E Coli in Germany has been traced to organic beansprouts.
Professor of Nutrition Dr Euan Sinclair said " Myself and a number of colleagues have been predicting this for some time. The organic movement with its reliance on the supposed benefits of crops grown using half rotted animal dung is playing Russian Roulette with public health "...

Former organic vegetable consumer Hannah Schiel declared..." I am on a well cooked meat and fish diet for the time being "...
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Postby Jhana4 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:28 pm

A few years ago in the United States there was an E Coli problem with people eating bagged spinach. The problem didn't happen for people who bought fresh spinach and washed the spinach themselves. The problem was traced to runoff from livestock farms -- animal poo from livestock raised for meat getting into the water supply and getting on crops.
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Postby ground » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:50 pm

I am on a save vegan diet ... (don't like raw fruits and vegetables)


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Postby plwk » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:55 pm

First the suspected Spanish cucumbers, now it's the sprouts ...
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Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:40 pm

It looks almost as though we cant eat our way out of samsara...
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Postby Jhana4 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:26 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.
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Re: watch those sprouts !

Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:32 pm

Watch this space.

Try googling " news For E Coli " where Reuters carry a report of many outbreaks of E Coli where the link with organic veg in general and beansprouts in particular have been well established.
Now watch the growth of conspiracy theories aimed at "agribiz "... :smile:
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Postby ground » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:59 pm

PeterB wrote:It looks almost as though we cant eat our way out of samsara...


That's true but through carefully choosing one's food one may practice "avoiding [additional] harm [caused by one's conduct] for others". The Buddha taught harmlessness.

And of course renunciation is involved since we are talking about sense pleasures in the context of food.

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Postby PeterB » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:25 pm

You might be talking about renouncing sense pleasures in the context of food...I'm not.

I am talking about not adding to dukkha by eating stuff marketed at premium prices that comes with its own wee portion of shit.
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Postby Ben » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:53 am

PeterB wrote:It looks almost as though we cant eat our way out of samsara...


Funny, but soooo true!
I realised this for myself over twenty years ago and I dropped my macrobiotic diet like a steaming hot turd!
And I probably gave someone e-coli in the process!
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Postby Ben » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:55 am

TMingyur wrote:
PeterB wrote:It looks almost as though we cant eat our way out of samsara...


That's true but through carefully choosing one's food one may practice "avoiding [additional] harm [caused by one's conduct] for others". The Buddha taught harmlessness.

And of course renunciation is involved since we are talking about sense pleasures in the context of food.

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Yes. Compassion for other living beings and my own health being motivating factors for my (mostly) vegetarian diet.
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Re: watch those sprouts !

Postby PeterB » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:05 am

Ben wrote:
PeterB wrote:It looks almost as though we cant eat our way out of samsara...


Funny, but soooo true!
I realised this for myself over twenty years ago and I dropped my macrobiotic diet like a steaming hot turd!
And I probably gave someone e-coli in the process!



Not the new strain though... :smile:
Its beginning to look as though it is the result of a " perfect storm "...overuse of antibiotics and inadequately cleaned raw organic foods have resulted in a superbug , a coming together of two strains of E Coli, one of which Shiga even in its old form was bad enough... I know from personal experience...

That's the latest ( ? ) theory, if true it is deeply strange that it should have come about as a result of a combination of modern medicine used indiscriminately and a reaction to that indiscriminate use...used itself without due caution...
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