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When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

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When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

Postby phil » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:08 pm

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:44 pm

Is it wrong view or is it a matter of wrong priorities? I know that piece of cake is unnecessary from a nutritional standpoint, I know it will detract from my health, add to my waistline... still I prioritize the short term pleasure from eating it over the long term benefits from abstaining from it. Perhaps there is an implicit wrong view buried under there somewhere? I don't know.
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Re: When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

Postby phil » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:10 am

Hi Peter and all

I guess what I mean by implicit wrong view is that - in Abhidhamma terms at least - the akusala citta that is behind the deed can sometimes be accompanied by wrong view and sometimes not. But when cittas are defined as very momentary, it is hard to understand what the "wrong view" (ditthi) is that could accompany a fleeting mind moment. It wouldn't seem that there could be a fleeting moment of "no harm will come from this" but that is what wrong view is about.

Metta,

Phil
Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

Postby kc2dpt » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:18 am

Maybe.

It's a good question you are asking in this thread. I'm glad you asked it. I look forward to reading other responses.
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Re: When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

Postby AdvaitaJ » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:25 am

Phil,

I recently listened to a dhamma talk by Andrea Fella about circumstances such as this that draws a strong correlation between the intention behind the act and the karmic consequences of it. The example she used was killing a spider. In one instance, you're just walking across the yard and you step on and kill a spider without even knowing it. There was no intention to kill. On the other hand, you see a spider in your house and with malice aforethought, kill it. Bad intention definitely present.

So...when you swat the skeeter, was there any thinking behind the act or was it pure reflex? Andrea went on to describe another example where a black widow (or a funnel web for you Aussies ;) ) is about to descend on a sleeping baby and there is only time to swat it before it reaches the baby. Again, the intention behind the act is wholesome and not based on hatred, so...not bad.

(Disclaimer: During a talk, it was explicitly stated that the precept against killing says to "avoid" killing beings that "breathe". The big question in my mind is whether or not people in the time of the Buddha believed that insects breathe. I don't think I would have concluded that insects breathed back then and may not have even thought that fish breathe, but this is likely going to be the topic for another thread when I get around to it.)

Regards: AdvaitaJ
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Re: When is there wrong view re fruit of deeds?

Postby phil » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:13 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)


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