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a quote i came across

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:36 am

We are generally the better persuaded by the reasons we discover ourselves than by those given to us by others.
- Blaise Pascal

i think this sums up the feeling behind many of the arguments on here...
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
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Re: a quote i came across

Postby SeerObserver » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:06 pm

Interesting point. Do you think that a passage found somewhere on your own might change your mind or interpretation on a subject more than if someone you were disagreeing with were to have referred you to it?
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Re: a quote i came across

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:18 pm

depends on the person im disagreeing with
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat
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Re: a quote i came across

Postby Fede » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:17 pm

It doesn't matter if we find reasons for ourselves.... they are still, at some former point, put forward by others already.
So I think this comment is inaccurate.
Even if we come to a conclusion through our own cogitation, it is by investigating existing information.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: a quote i came across

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:54 pm

guess that is why there is an invitation from the Buddha to see for yourself.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: a quote i came across

Postby genkaku » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:32 am

jcsuperstar wrote:We are generally the better persuaded by the reasons we discover ourselves than by those given to us by others.
- Blaise Pascal

i think this sums up the feeling behind many of the arguments on here...


I think the quote points to the fact that you don't have to be a Buddhist to exercise common sense:

"It is not what others do and do not do that is my concern. It is what I do and do not do -- that is my concern" -- attributed to Shakyamuni Buddha in The Dhammapada.

"There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." -- American humorist Will Rogers

Etc.
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Re: a quote i came across

Postby floating_abu » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:36 am

jcsuperstar wrote:We are generally the better persuaded by the reasons we discover ourselves than by those given to us by others.
- Blaise Pascal

i think this sums up the feeling behind many of the arguments on here...


I read it as -- we can only learn when we learn ourselves.
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