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Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:52 pm

Hi Kim,

Look at Piya Tan, full time lay dhamma teacher, fully supported by the Singaporean lay community:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piya_Tan

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby kirk5a » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:39 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby unspoken » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:15 pm

hope he/she got a job for supporting his/her life. And give dhamma teachings in the other half time

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby morning mist » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:39 pm

I would say that she is doing a good job and lives for the welfare of both herself and others as the Buddha mentioned in the sutta below. A role model lay practitioner . More advance lay practitioner can follow her example to share the dhamma with others. If people benefit from her gift of the dhamma then they should donate to show their support for her time and effort. But I don't think it is a good idea to set a price or fee.

“And how, Lord, does a lay follower live for his own welfare but not for the welfare of others?”
“If, Mahānāma, a lay follower has faith, virtue and generosity himself, but does not encourage others in gaining faith, virtue and generosity; if he himself likes to visit monks and to listen to the good Dhamma, but does not encourage others to do so; if he himself retains in mind the teachings heard and carefully examines the meaning of those teachings, but does not encourage others to do so; if, having understood both the letter and the meaning, he himself lives in conformity with the Dhamma, but does not encourage others to do so—in such a case, Mahānāma, a lay follower lives for his own welfare but not for the welfare of others.”

“And how, Lord, does a lay follower live for the welfare of both himself and others?”
“If, Mahānāma, a lay follower himself has faith, virtue and generosity, and also encourages others in gaining them; if he himself likes to visit monks and to listen to the good Dhamma, and he also encourages others to do so; if he himself retains in mind the teachings heard and carefully examines their meaning, and he also encourages others to do so; if, having understood both the letter and the meaning, he himself practises in accordance with the Dhamma and also encourages others to do so—in such a case, Mahānāma, a lay follower lives for the welfare of both himself and others.”- Anguttara Nikaya

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:20 pm

I am beginning to think that any reward, material or otherwise can at some level, corrupt the message- it is not a problem if you are teaching beginners dhamma, but if it is teaching anicca, dukkha, anatta (vipassana) then the message can get watered down, diluted and loose it's ability to allow true deep disenchantment, dispassion to take place. The tendency would be to simply go with samsaric flow and dish out what the dhamma punters want to hear. :thinking:

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:37 am

Wow, Morning mist, that sounds amazing! I think I have found the Buddhist version of standing on a soap box in a street corner (from another angle)!

Thank you Tricycle!

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby morning mist » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:42 am

Hi Kim and rowyourboat,
I wasn't aware that there are hardly any vihara in your area. Just ignore the idea of conducting it at one of the vihara.

I am glad you guys like the idea of Outdoor Nature Retreat from Tricycle. The first time I read about it, I wish these events occur more often and in more locations each weekends. It resonates with the simple Forest style.

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:12 pm

Here is another perspective. I was reading Ven Dhammika's "The Broken Buddha" this morning. He mentioned that at one time the average Burmese family gave 40% of their income to the Sangha via Dana. According to the book this is not odd in Asia nor is that money going to keep monastics in luxury ( a frequent complaint in this thread is paid Dhamma teachers possibly getting rich ) while many of the people in their community live in poverty. In addition to that the author claims that monastics discourage people from reading the suttas, learning the dhamma and meditating or even believing that they can be liberated.

40% of your income?

That shifted my perspective on how I would view a "suggested donation" I'm not thrilled with paying for a retreat.

My ideal would the dhamma taught through a modernized Buddhist order though.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby Jhana4 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:13 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby morning mist » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:52 pm

I say some of the monks in certain regions are not doing their job of sharing the gift of dhamma. But that is not to say that they are all like that. Also , charging a set fee is not necessarily the answer. Perhaps a renewal of the sangha is needed . I don't know what they are doing when not teaching the lay community meditation and dhamma. I have to say that many of the sangha in the West are not like that. They give dhamma talks, give guided meditation, make the suttas available through the internet, give sutta study class, conduct retreats, they don't possess money. It is very different than some other places in the world .
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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:23 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Paid dhamma teachers

Postby morning mist » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:54 am

Maybe for lay dhamma teacher it is fine , who knows. It is difficult for lay dhamma teachers to live without income since they have to provide their own shelter and food. But I don't think it is a good idea for monastics to charge a set fee, because they already receive donations, the shelters are provided for them. If both lay dhamma teachers and monastics charge a set fee, then the dhamma might not be accessible to everyone.

Perhaps this can motivate the monastic sangha to keep the quality of their teaching high. Otherwise people would turn to lay retreat centers like IMS and the like if the monastics doesn't teach the dhamma properly. Ideally, the monks who have spent 10 -20 years or so would conduct retreat, guided meditation, give dhamma talks, or make the suttas available through other outlet, etc..Bodhinyana monastery is providing these services to the community in their area. However, many monasteries in other areas are not providing these dhamma services.

But then again, if it is possible for a person to live a lay life with children and spouses and become fully enlightened Arahant then why would the Buddha set up a celibate sangha with sex as a number 1 rule for expulsion. But that is not to say that lay people can't reach Non-returning and be able to teach. Non-returners are celibate though. There is a chance that lay teachers that are sexually active with a spouse can be Stream-enterer or Once -Returner, but definitely not Non-returners or Arahant. Of course, Stream-Enters and Once-Returners are capable of teaching the dhamma.

I definitely wouldn't mind seeing more retreat centers like IMS doing well in other locations as well so people with a passion in dhamma can have a place to work that is dhamma related rather than spend time working at a worldly job that is not related to their passion.
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