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"Wherever one's selfhood turns up...." - Dhamma Wheel

"Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

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"Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby phil » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:32 pm

The title of this thread refers to a ttanslation used in AN 3.33 by Ven. Thannisaro. As we know, he sometimes uses comtoversial turns of phrase. I personally don't have a problem with "selfhood" because I know his point is always that our sense of self or personal identity is fabricated and will or will not be seen through. But I wonder if anyone could provide the Pali that is used that he translated as "selfhood.". I remember there is a term that might be something like attano bhava patilabho (might!) to describe the sense(?)of personal existence or personal identity, I wonder if that is used here.


Thanks, if there are any Pali pals out there...
Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby Ben » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:38 pm

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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:39 pm

I'd have thought it was a good translation for Atta, translating Atta "self" implies somthing real adding "hood" at the end implies something conceptual to me.

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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby phil » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:37 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby Alex123 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:50 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby phil » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:45 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby gavesako » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:19 pm

Yes, the Pali word "attabhāva" is used in the Suttas often to describe the shape of form in which one is reborn, lit. "self-hood". In one sutta a deva is reborn with a subtle body the size or two or three fields for example.
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Re: "Wherever one's selfhood turns up...."

Postby phil » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:00 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)


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