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To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

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To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Yes
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58%
No
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Not Sure
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Total votes: 62

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby clw_uk » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:29 pm

Greetings


I think in reguards to kamma and rebirth it is important to have some kind of set view

My reason for this is because, as i think peter said, it will have an impact on how one acts in certain situations, such as euthanasia or some situation where there is a choice of say killing another to save yourself (someone trying to kill you for example)

How you view kamma and rebirth effects these situations greatly i feel and although they are extreme situations, i would say that the general view of kamma and rebirth has an effect on the whole practice even if its not obvious, which is why i feel its always said to be part of Right View


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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby Ordinaryperson » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:40 am

I voted yes as I feel that is what Buddha taught.

However, one must still take initiative to investigation in order to understand and to strengthen one's trust in Buddha's teaching.

:anjali:

p/s: I did not read all the thread before answering by the way.

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby pink_trike » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:16 am

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Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:51 am

It seems to me the Kalama Sutta actually illustrate well what it means to have Right View. The Buddha doesn't say "You have to believe in rebirth." What he says is "It is in your best interest to act as if there was rebirth." That's what I think it means to practice Right View. You should censure your actions based on the idea that there might be consequences that will affect you after death.
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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby nathan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:30 am

I think that rebirth is more in keeping than not with human religious origins in "prehistory" and any early presently cogently accountable religious history. It is older than any monotheism by a long shot.
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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby fijiNut » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:38 pm

I answered yes, if Ajahn Chah was still here, he would have voted "Not Sure!". :tongue:

But seriously, kamma and rebirth is the cornerstone of Dhamma.

Checkout this youtube series on children who remember previous lives -

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... efore&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... tion+&aq=f

And of course, there are works of Dr Ian Stevenson and Dr. Jim Tucker widely available off amazon.com

What I mean to say, is that accepting the belief or view of 'beings spontaneously reborn according to their kamma' is not something you have to believe to be Buddhist, but it is something that is happening here and now
Believe it or not?

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby nathan » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:37 am

I suggest looking into it directly in your own body and mind. Find out exactly what that is about. That is the route to seeing it clearly in any ways beyond that. Touch what you touch. See what you see. Hear what you hear. Acknowledge it. Not, have it told or proven to you. Find out personally. Start looking at it now. Carry on and good luck. Nothing else will help, take my word for it you can imagine anything you like, but all of that represents nothing at all. We all have to take it as it comes for what it actually is for us. That could be very good or very bad depending on who you are and have been so far. But that appears to be the only way towards actually 'knowing' anything. Use your own body, mind and senses, that is all any of us get. All the rest has been told to us. See what is true. No point in arguing after that.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby pink_trike » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:16 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby nathan » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:29 am

When I see one, I'll register a vote to a poll with one option along these lines:

A buddhist's doctrine details ongoing cyclic existence in terms of kamma and an inescapable bondage to suffering until decisive meritorious action effects the path leading to full awakening to nibbana and full emancipation.

1. Yes
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby lonewolf » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:45 am

Why does a Buddhist have to accept anything without verifying its validity? Didn't Buddha tell us not do so?
Cause and effect is a fact, stretching the same principle into moral sphere, or non-material reality is not inconceivable. Even rebirth can be roughly understood, as everyhing in nature we know of gets recycled, why would we be any different? I don't see how taking something on a face value is necessary.

I really don't see how a mind free from beliefs, and attachment to rituals can be an impediment to walking The Path.

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

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Re: To be Buddhist you must accept kamma and rebirth?

Postby dhammacoustic » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:30 am

I call myself a buddhist and I don't accept anything, I just try to see things as they truely are, see the streams, tendencies and their natural destinations. I believe it's the only way I'll become a rocking buddha one day.

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