The Limitations of Action?

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The Limitations of Action?

Postby Individual » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:16 pm

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:36 am

Greetings Individual,

Looked up from another perspective, if we consider the "Limitations of Action-result" we see that it is possible to transcend the results of kammic actions through arahantship, as done by Sangha members with diverse background and histories such as Angulimala and the Buddha for example.

What keeps someone from enlightenment, and what keeps them within the domain of kamma is a proclivity towards self-view. This may be a formalised view which includes believing in self (which is broken at stream-entry), or at is lesser extreme, it may just be the tendency to habitually think in terms of a self, even if one can conceptually or intellectually agree that there is no self (which is broken with arahantship).

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby Individual » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:57 am

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:00 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby Individual » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:40 pm

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:33 pm

Greetings Individual,

I believe the logic is that they end up in the hell-realms for the short term (even though, by convensional terms, this is supposedly still a very long time!) where it is difficult to practice the Dhamma under the weight of one's kamma, whereas in the long-term there may be rebirth back in the human realm (or another relatively comfortable realm) where the Dhamma can be learned and enlightenment achieved.

As for the inevitability of enlightenment, I don't know that the Buddha actually discussed it.

As for omnipotency, no. The arahant has achieved the permanent cessation of suffering through the eradication of greed, aversion and delusion. This however, from the Buddhist perspective, is a far more desirable outcome than being able to achieve all those supernormal feats you speak of.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby Individual » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:23 am

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:29 pm

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:28 pm

Greetings Peter,

It's a good reply though, isn't it!

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

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Re: The Limitations of Action?

Postby pink_trike » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:24 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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