In the suttas it often talks about many benefits of contemplating rise and fall. But the instructions He gives seem to imply that one thinks about it.
"There is the case where a monk [discerns]: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance. Such is feeling... Such is perception... Such are fabrications... Such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance." " " - MN10
Patisambhidamagga also has this concluding statement:"Knowledge is in the sense of that being known and understanding is in the sense of the act of understanding that."
Is it like the instructions in AN5.57 that imply that this is done discursively?
If it is done discursively then whenever a certain, lets say strong feeling (such as pain) is felt, does one then mentally considers its rise and fall?
Or does one keep mentally considering in detail the general rise and fall nature of aggregates like said in those suttas?
"iti rūpaṃ, iti rūpassa samudayo, iti rūpassa atthagamo. Iti vedanā, iti vedanāya samudayo, iti vedanāya atthagamo. Itisaññā, iti saññāya samudayo, iti saññāya atthagamo. Iti saṅkhārā, iti saṅkhārānaṃ samudayo, iti saṅkhārānaṃ. Atthagamo. Iti viññāṇaṃ, iti viññāṇassa samudayo, iti viññāṇassa atthagamo"ti
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"Monk, the four great existents (earth, water, fire, & wind) are the cause, the four great existents the condition, for the delineation of the aggregate of form. Contact is the cause, contact the condition, for the delineation of the aggregate of feeling. Contact is the cause, contact the condition, for the delineation of the aggregate of perception. Contact is the cause, contact the condition, for the delineation of the aggregate of fabrications. Name-&-form is the cause, name-&-form the condition, for the delineation of the aggregate of consciousness."
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"And what is the origination of form? ...feeling? ...perception? ...fabrications? What is the origination of consciousness?
"There is the case where one enjoys, welcomes, & remains fastened. And what does one enjoy & welcome, to what does one remain fastened? One enjoys, welcomes, & remains fastened to form [alex: and all other 4 aggregates]. As one enjoys, welcomes, & remains fastened to form [alex: and other 4 aggregates], there arises delight. Any delight in form is clinging. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. Such is the origination of this entire mass of stress & suffering.
"And what is the disappearance of form? ...feeling? ...perception? ...fabrications? What is the disappearance of consciousness?
"There is the case where one doesn't enjoy, welcome, or remain fastened. And what does one not enjoy or welcome, to what does one not remain fastened? One doesn't enjoy, welcome, or remain fastened to form [alex: and other 4 aggregates]. As one doesn't enjoy, welcome, or remain fastened to form [alex: and other 4 aggregates], any delight in form ceases. From the cessation of delight comes the cessation of clinging. From the cessation of clinging/sustenance, the cessation of becoming. From the cessation of becoming, the cessation of birth. From the cessation of birth, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair all cease. Such is the cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering.
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