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Lion's Roar?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:58 am

Is this the "Lion's Roar?"

"Supreme am I in the world;
"Greatest am I in the world;
"Noblest am I in the world.
"This is my last birth,
"Never shall I be reborn."


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Re: Lion's Roar?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:33 am

Greetings Drolma,

I don't believe there's any one statement that constitutes the "Lion's Roar".

The Lion's Roar - Two Discourses of the Buddha
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el390.html

The Pali Commentaries explain that there are two kinds of lion's roar: that of the Buddha himself and that of his disciples. The former is sounded when the Buddha extols his own attainments or proclaims the potency of the doctrine he has realized; the latter, when accomplished disciples testify to their own achievement of the final goal, the fruit of arahantship. Viewed in the light of this distinction, the Shorter Discourse on the Lion's Roar exhibits a hybrid character, being a sutta spoken by the Buddha to instruct his disciples how they should affirm, in discussions with others who hold different convictions, the singular greatness of the Teaching.


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Re: Lion's Roar?

Postby xiaogui17 » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:08 am

The Lion's Roar is a mood rather than a statement, as I understand it, the ability to speak with the confidence that one knows that which one speaks of having experienced direct knowledge.
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Re: Lion's Roar?

Postby Dhammanando » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:36 am

Hi Drolma,

Drolma wrote:Is this the "Lion's Roar?"

"Supreme am I in the world;
"Greatest am I in the world;
"Noblest am I in the world.
"This is my last birth,
"Never shall I be reborn."


It is the utterance spoken by Bodhisattas when they are first born in their final life. The commentator Buddhadatta of Kāvīrapaṭṭana refers to it as a lion's roar, but in the Mahāpadāna and Acchariya-abbhuta Suttas (DN. 14; MN. 123) the Buddha calls it an āsabhī vācā, meaning the speech of the bull who leads the herd.

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Re: Lion's Roar?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:50 pm

Thank you :namaste:
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