Does all matter (rupa) have a denser vibrational form of energy? When reading about the aggregates of which matter is the first aggregate it states that matter consists of solidity, fluidity, heat or temperature and motion or vibration.
Is this vibrational quality of matter a denser form of energy? Does everything in the universe(s) consist of this vibrational energy...even an object such as a rock but on a denser level?
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Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
Greetings,
Not being an altogether simple question to answer, I'm going to move this from Discovering Theravada to the Meditation section for you.
(In case you're interested, the reason I decided to redirect to the Meditation forum is because I believe the question is best answered in terms of what you observe, analyse and experience... rather than being regarded as an objective scientific or ontological proposition. If others disagree we can move it elsewhere.)
Metta,
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Not being an altogether simple question to answer, I'm going to move this from Discovering Theravada to the Meditation section for you.
(In case you're interested, the reason I decided to redirect to the Meditation forum is because I believe the question is best answered in terms of what you observe, analyse and experience... rather than being regarded as an objective scientific or ontological proposition. If others disagree we can move it elsewhere.)
Metta,
Retro.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
Greetings VictoryInTruth
From a non-scientist's point of view...
All matter consists of particles which are in a constant state of flux and movement. This is the vibrational characteristic of matter/rupa.
If you wish to examine the Elements in more detail, I suggest you read Ledi Sayadaw's Vipassana Dipani (Manual of Insight) but its not a work intended for beginners.
kind regards
Ben
From a non-scientist's point of view...
All matter consists of particles which are in a constant state of flux and movement. This is the vibrational characteristic of matter/rupa.
If you wish to examine the Elements in more detail, I suggest you read Ledi Sayadaw's Vipassana Dipani (Manual of Insight) but its not a work intended for beginners.
kind regards
Ben
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
The point, surely, must be that no matter what description is given for the fundamental parts of nature, that same description applies to anything we might like to call Ours, and therefore, a Buddhist knows that whatever other characteristics it has, it has three in particular, and the only way to see those for oneself is to do anapanasati rather than speculate as to other characteristics.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
I prefer to think of the four great elements as properties, rather than building blocks. Our experience of matter may be classified according to it's hardness (or softness), cohesion (or lack thereof), hotness (or coldness), and motion/support (or not).VictoryInTruth wrote:Does all matter (rupa) have a denser vibrational form of energy? When reading about the aggregates of which matter is the first aggregate it states that matter consists of solidity, fluidity, heat or temperature and motion or vibration.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
The 'vibrational quality' that you mention is nothing but consciousness arising and passing away at great rapidity. You could argue via quantum physics that everything including consciousness is energy.
The qualities of a perception of form (rupasanna) such as hardness, heat etc can be detected in different ways in the different sense bases. It is important to keep in mind that the Buddha did NOT declare an existing world (kaccayanagotta sutta). He only saw experience arising due to the existence of ignorance. Rupa (or should I say the experience of rupa) should be seen in this light.
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The qualities of a perception of form (rupasanna) such as hardness, heat etc can be detected in different ways in the different sense bases. It is important to keep in mind that the Buddha did NOT declare an existing world (kaccayanagotta sutta). He only saw experience arising due to the existence of ignorance. Rupa (or should I say the experience of rupa) should be seen in this light.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
Yes. Even rock has electron that always moving around proton.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
You could, but it would be nonsense.rowyourboat wrote:You could argue via quantum physics that everything including consciousness is energy.
Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
Thank you Keith!Mawkish1983 wrote:You could, but it would be nonsense.rowyourboat wrote:You could argue via quantum physics that everything including consciousness is energy.
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
The short answer, maybe yes.
The best example i can think of is pair production.
The best example i can think of is pair production.
Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
I really like Mike's response.
Lets make sure we keep this within an experiential domain. Theoretical constructs are not useful in this situation.
Lets make sure we keep this within an experiential domain. Theoretical constructs are not useful in this situation.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
I'm wondering whether Buddhists are generally mistrusting of science because science, especially physics have moved on from a Newtonian mechanistic view of the world. Quantum mechanics now seems to famously prove the idea that consciousness gives rise to mental and material phenomena (google double slit experiment), different planes of existences are possible and that everything pops in and out if existence at immense frequencies. This is not Buddhism per se but comes incredibly close to 'proving' some of it. I found 'what the bleep do we know' (a DVD on the topic) quite a good take on this issue (while not being specifically Buddhist).Mawkish1983 wrote:You could, but it would be nonsense.rowyourboat wrote:You could argue via quantum physics that everything including consciousness is energy.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
I'm sorry to tell you this, but what you are saying is completely pointless. And it has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Plus, you are claiming something that has not been proven. I don't distrust science: I do distrust those who claim a new understanding based on a faulty understanding of the real meaning of science.
Plus, you are claiming something that has not been proven. I don't distrust science: I do distrust those who claim a new understanding based on a faulty understanding of the real meaning of science.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
Agreed. There is no need to try to tie Buddhism to science.alan wrote:I'm sorry to tell you this, but what you are saying is completely pointless. And it has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Plus, you are claiming something that has not been proven. I don't distrust science: I do distrust those who claim a new understanding based on a faulty understanding of the real meaning of science.
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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?
Because for those of us who actually work with quantum mechanics most of what is written about conciousness and QM is just silly (including a lot of stuff written by famous scientists stepping out of their area of expertise...).rowyourboat wrote: I'm wondering whether Buddhists are generally mistrusting of science because science, especially physics have moved on from a Newtonian mechanistic view of the world....
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