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Postby Spiny O'Norman » Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:23 am

I regularly get enquires from people with mental health problems, some have been informally referred by medical types on the basis that meditation would be good for them. From previous experience as a social worker I have a reasonably good understanding of these issues and how to deal with them, but I'd be interested to hear how others approach this.

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Re: Teachin the dhamma, and teachers

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:06 pm

SN 42.7 PTS: S iv 314 CDB ii 1338
Desanaa Sutta: Teaching
translated from the Pali by
Maurice O'Connell Walshe
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The Pali title of this sutta is based on the PTS (Feer) edition.
[At Naalandaa the village headman Asibandhakaputta asks the Buddha:] "Does not the Blessed One dwell in compassion for all living beings?"

"Indeed, headman, the Tathaagata does dwell in compassion for all living beings."

"Well then, Lord, does not the Blessed One teach Dhamma in full[1] to some, but not so fully to others?"

"I will reply to this question, headman, with another. Answer as seems proper to you. What do you think? Suppose a peasant farmer has three fields, one excellent, one middling, and one poor, sandy, salty, with bad soil. Tell me: when the farmer wants to sow his seed, which field would he sow first: the excellent one, the middling one or the poor one that is sandy, salty and with bad soil?"

"Lord, the farmer who wanted to sow his seed would sow the excellent field first. Having done that, he would sow the middling field next, and the one that was poor, sandy, salty, with bad soil he might or might not sow. Why? Well it might do for cattle-food."

"Well, headman, that excellent field is like my monks and nuns. To them I teach the Dhamma which is lovely in its beginning, lovely in its middle and lovely in its ending, in spirit and in letter,[2] I display to them the holy life, perfectly fulfilled and purified. Why? Because these people adhere to me as their island, their shelter, their resort, their refuge.

"The middling field is like my male and female lay-followers. To these too I teach the Dhamma which is lovely in its beginning, lovely in its middle and lovely in its ending, in spirit and in letter, I display to them the holy life, perfectly fulfilled and purified. Why? Because these people adhere to me as their island, their shelter, their resort, their refuge.

"The poor field that is sandy, salty and with bad soil is like my wandering recluses and Brahmans of other sects.[3] To them I also teach the Dhamma which is lovely in its beginning, lovely in its middle and lovely in its ending, in spirit and in letter, I display to them the holy life, perfectly fulfilled and purified. Why? Because if they only understand a single phrase, it would long be for their profit."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .wlsh.html

This sutta tells us that some aspects of dhamma are best taught to those ready to receive it. Otherwise we run the risk of confusing them and risking doing more harm than good.

In choosing what dhamma to teach- it is best to keep a simple 'rule-of-thumb' in mind- 'just take the next step' - that is, teach them the next higher step in their practice (if they keep their precepts, teach them how to meditate and develop samadhi for example, and after that, teach them the development of panna). This is useful format, even when talking of attainments within teacher-student relationships- it is better to talk of the next higher attainment from where the student is currently. Talking of enlightenment with a beginner might leave him with doubt, skepticism etc, whereas the next higher attainment (talking of jhana to someone who has some samadhi, for example) might actually help to motivate the student to do a bit more..
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Re: Teachin the dhamma, and teachers

Postby chownah » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:06 am

rowyourboat,
I agree with the idea of teaching what can be received but I do not think that the Sutta you provide actually points to this.....while the headman had distinctly different ways of treating the three different plots of land the Buddha had the same exact verbatim reply to each....and also note that in the link in the discussion of note number two it describes the teaching (which seems to be given as appropriate for all three groups) to be, "with its meaning and (detailed) characteristics".....so even though I agree with your approach to teaching I do think that this Sutta is meant to emphasize that the Buddha teaches in the same manner to all people as an example of how "the Tathaagata does dwell in compassion for all living beings." which is part of the introduction of the Sutta and as such might be expected to be key to the meaning of the text that follows....I guess.....
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Re: Teachin the dhamma, and teachers

Postby befriend » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:59 pm

i suffer from very high anxiety, its more like mind numbing fear sometimes, vipassana seems to amplify this anxiety, what do i do for meditation? maybe do shikantaza?
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