Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby alan » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:01 am

I love science. I love that it is rational, and that it willingly throws away past assumptions when they are proven incorrect. I'm totally for applying a rationalist perspective on the social contract. You could say I'm a rational pragmatist.
But,
An assumption that the higher levels of physics has some relevance to our experiential existence seems suspect.
Alan's three rules of Quantum Mechanics clearly state:
1) You don't really understand it.
2) The handful of people on this planet who have the ability to get close to an understanding of it can't contextualize it in any meaningful way.
3) Because of that, it is always foolish to compare it with anything. Doing so invariably makes you look like a pompous ass. Don't be like that.

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby alan » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:19 am

Keep the focus on the subject that matters.

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby alan » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:30 am

Seems we're in agreement on this matter.

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby alan » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:54 am

You're nothing if not dogged, tilt. I"ll give you that. And I admire it.
Just wondering if you get the joke. Sometimes, you seem too serious.

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby Ben » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:55 am

I'm interested if and how people observe rupa, or the vibrational quality of rupa, in their meditative practice.
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:00 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:32 am

Hi Retro, I think Ben is asking for some more details about vayo-dhatu.

As I understand it vayo-dhatu, "air element" includes properties of motion, vibration, and support/distension (e.g. the stiffness required to sit upright). So vibration is part of it, but not the whole thing. I imagine the model is that winds in the body cause the motion and stiffness.

E.g. http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... dh%C4%81tu

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is matter (rupa) a denser vibrational form of energy?

Postby Ben » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:30 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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