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Did anyone here attain jhana?

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Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby whynotme » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:34 am

Hi everyone,

Did anyone here attain first, second, third or fourth jhana? If yes, I am more than eager for learning from real experiences.

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby Reductor » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:54 am

I suggest you read the threads in the Suttanta Meditation forum. There is plenty of good information from meditators who emphasize jhana in their practice.

As to your question, I would answer "Yes". However many people would be, and are, leery of any claims made by myself and others here. Probably this thread would degenerate. Perhaps I am wrong.

Just read the threads, read the suttas, and practice, practice, practice. What you get will be of value, regardless the label you wish to apply to it.

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby James the Giant » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:04 am

Have you heard of the site Dhamma Overground? They love talking about that kind of thing.
But the answer is yeah, a bunch of folks have.
Most don't like to talk about it much, it's kind of often mistaken for bragging.
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Postby Ben » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:20 am

Just to add to the good advice so far...
Its good to learn and be under the supervision of a well respected teacher - or guides who are experienced in a respected tradition. Certainly at the beginning stages of one's 'career', it is most beneficial to have that close supervision and mentoring relationship.
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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby Aloka » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:33 am

Personally I tend not to take public claims of attainment seriously. Why would anyone want to announce it to the rest of the world ?

I have always believed that any queries and guidance concerning my own practice should be discussed privately with a teacher.


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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:31 am

I make no claims to attainment, I include not claiming the ability to assess the attainments of others. Having said that :smile:

Reading around the posts of others and cross referring one can often get a feel for the overall tenor of an individuals mindset, and I have never yet been convinced of anyone's online claims to Jnana states.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:12 pm

A person might discuss their jhana attainments in the interest of helping others, but in far too many cases it can be an opportunity to inflate ego or may not be genuine, which in turn produces reactions of scorn and ridicule from others. It is something best discussed between a student and teacher in direct contact, not even online, since even there one-on-one through the internet, we don't always know who we are really speaking to.

There is a guy in the Southwest U.S. who was turned down for ordination by Bhante Gunaratana and then "self-ordained". He primarily teaches the jhanas and has taken the name, Jhanananda. He has written or hosted several forums and web pages about how he is "demonized" for practicing and teaching jhana.

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:30 pm

I don't see a big problem in saying one has attained the jhanas online. I think it may be a generational issue, regarding how we deal with privacy, and how "real" is the internet world to us.

I think that one thing that misses in this forum is the open-mindedness to discuss personal attainments. If I were a sottapana I would like to share that with my fellow buddhists just as we share good news. It doesn't have to be about ego.

Finaly, I think people have a very high expectations towards people who have attainments, be they jhanas or arya attainments. For example, if someone here said he was an arya and then said he kicked somebody, people would imediatly think that that person couldn't be an arya. But when people tell this story about ajahn Chah kicking someone in the chest because this someone spent his day delinghting on something, people don't doubt Ajahn Chah was an arya.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby manas » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:15 pm

One problem I have had is thinking 'about' jhana, and wanting to 'attain' it. From what I hear, it's beyond the level of ordinary thinking, and what's more, can't be owned any more than any other impermanent thing can...so I'm trying to let go of being too attached to the 'when' (when will it be attained? - :shrug: ) and am just trying to focus my mind on cultivating the conditions conducive to it's arising. And there's plenty of work to do there; abandoning watching any TV at all would help, for example! From what I hear, how we spend the hours off the meditation cushion matters alot, not just one or two concerted efforts on the meditation cushion.

I like Ajahm Brahm's analogy of 'building the house of peace', brick by brick; patience is vital. I'm trying to conceive of each meditation as another 'brick', not as this big thing that 'might' happen - pah! Wondering 'when' I will attain jhana has gotten me absolutely nowhere. Letting go, by way of contrast, at least leads to a degree of mental calm; and no matter how humble, it's better than mental agitation.

Just my two cents worth...

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby Vepacitta » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:19 pm

In my opinion, Jhana claims aren't necessarily a big deal - although what one might be claiming as jhana could actually be a different sort of altered state - people can get to altered states even accidentally ... A clear headed discussion of a person's meditative state could be helpful to said person. It might aid them in figuring out what is going on - are they in neighbourhood concentration, true jhana or "other"? I don't think these discussions have to devolve into argument.

The ariya claims are more difficult. There have been so many charlatans throughout history, it's difficult to take such a claim at face value - especially on the I-Net. In person, there are visual, aural and "vibratory" clues that one just can't get over a screen.

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Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:21 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:10 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:27 pm

And just to add, just like the question of what jhana is, on this subject opinions are certainly going to vary, and I certainly do not expect mine or any one else's must prevail.


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