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Did anyone here attain jhana?

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby Ben » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:56 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby befriend » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:51 pm

how does one manage the pride one gets from jhana. wasnt pride from jhana mastery what caused devadatta to fall? he became proud of his super powers and became jealous of buddha.
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Postby befriend » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:55 am

i remember my teacher already answered this years ago for me, she said watch the pride, when the mind sees how much suffering there is in it, this will help alleviate the pride. thanks for reminding me, metta.
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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby manas » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:56 am

The more I desire meditative bliss, the more it eludes me. The more I practice 'not expecting any result' - just doing the work - the more bliss I get to taste.

This drives me nuts sometimes, but I'm slowly getting the message.

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:05 am

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby manas » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:53 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby Ben » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:45 am

Hi manasikara

Its a tricky balance, isn't it? If one craves this or that attainment it becomes a barrier to its achievement. And subtle craving can masquerade as equanimity. At the end of the day if we just maintain continuous attention of the object (for samatha) then that's all we need do.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby PeterB » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:04 pm

Well said Ben.

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby manas » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:33 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby chownah » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:33 am

Speaking of effort......I think that many people think of hard work when they think of effort...I really don't think that this is a good way to think of Right Effort. I don't think that Right Effort is developed by a mental furrowing of the brow and induced tension.....I think that is is aided by calm and stressless concentrated awareness......it's difficult to explain my views on this but I guess the main thing is for one to determine for ones self what will facilitate the arising of Right Effort....I suggest reading alot of sources about Right Effort and see if you can interpret what they say within a context of calm and stressless concentrated awareness.....see if you can make sense of that....and if you can then try to implement it in your meditation.......if you can't make sense of it that way then just forget what I have said. Just as a starter, here is the opening lines of Nayanatiloka' Dictionary on Padhana which talks about sammapadhana which I think means Right Effort. I suggest reading it as I have described and see what you think.....best to go to the link and study it in full and also look for more references too:

http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... p.htm#padhāna

"Padhāna: 'effort.' The 4 right efforts samma-padhāna forming the 6th stage of the 8-fold path i.e. sammā-vāyāma see: magga are: 1 the effort to avoid samvara-padhāna 2 to overcome pahāna-padhāna 3 to develop bhāvanā-padhāna 4 to maintain anurakkhana-padhāna i.e. 1 the effort to avoid disadvantageous akusala states, such as evil thoughts, etc. 2 to overcome disadvantageous states, 3 to develop advantageous kusala states, such as the 7 elements of enlightenment bojjhanga, 4 to maintain the advantageous states.
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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby manas » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:58 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby fijiNut » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:26 am

Hi Manasikara,

Thank you for pointing that out. Beginners mind is important.
When I went on the retreat, I didn't have such a long list.
Heck, I didn't even know what jhana was.
I was just intent (not too tightly) on calming the mind, relaxing the body, and following the breath.
The experience of it was so powerful that I couldn't help but bow to the teacher and the Triple Gem in gratitude, quite speechless.
It was only on personal reflection after the retreat that I realized, these were the factors that were present.

The practice has still a long way to go. The mind having experiencing jhana once, is not the same as having the 'skill' to enter jhana on a daily basis (whilst in the trappings of lay life, having a partner, job etc).
One good thing about DhammaWheel is that there are experienced practitioners/teachers who have been able to do so, and that in and of itself is inspiring enough to keep practicing on the Path.
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Re: Did anyone here attain jhana?

Postby manas » Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:07 am

fijiNut,
thanks for that clarification. :smile: I just said what I said because I have personally found that the old way I used to look at 'concentration' actually hindered me from attaining anything even near serenity. I have found that Ajahn Brahm is correct (he is speaking from sutta, of course, so it is actually the Buddha who is correct! - but sometimes we need the meaning of sutta explained in more detail): he describes the jhanas as 'states of letting go', and I find the idea of progressively letting go of baggage - first the gross, then more and more subtle stuff - a very appealing and useful perspective. It helps me to ease into samatha practice, to relax, rather than to strain like I used to (I was mentally straining, not physically, but still...). As I said, there are those accomplished in jhana here, but I'm not one of them...I'm just a guy trying to learn to calm his mind lol... :tongue:

Thanks again for your insights regarding the practice, especially the reminder about the need for the five balas in getting past the hindrances. Got to cultivate those...

May all of us here be able to enter upon jhanas, for the sake of penetrative insight!

:namaste:
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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