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Concentration meditation difficulties

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Concentration meditation difficulties

Postby darods » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:52 pm

Hello everyone,

I have been practising breathing meditation. In my meditation, with my eyes closed I am focussing on the sensation of the breath as it passes in and out of the nose, not following it, just being aware of it as it passes the nostrils.

The problem I am having however is that I find it very difficult to fix my awareness onto a sensation without visualising the sensation/body part and what is happening. So for instance when I feel the air contacting with my nose I instinctively find that I am actually visualising in my mind what is happening, a nose and air passing over it. I have tried to focus on only the sensation without at the same time visualising what is occurring but I find this very difficult.

Is it normal to do this, as I my understanding was that the aim of the practise was to maintain awareness on a single thing, such as the sensation of breath and nothing else. If I am visualising what is happening, then my mind will be split between being focussed on the visualisation and also the sensation.

Is there a method to stop this?

Thank you

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Re: Concentration meditation difficulties

Postby Ben » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:57 pm

Its natural and in time your focus will be more precisely on the sensation.
Right now, don't get hung up on it and just give importance to the sensation.
kind regards

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Re: Concentration meditation difficulties

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:27 pm

In regard to the above, the "nose" is a perfectly fine as a place for paying attention, aware of the air passing in and out at the nostrils. Part of of the problem is that your obsessing a bit about the visual stuff. Don't worry about the visual stuff, don't try to make it go away, just gently pay attention to the sensation of air as it moves in and out at your nostrils. Continually, gently and easy, bring your attention to the sensation of the movement of air. There is no magic solution to your "problem" other than continually bringing your attention back to the sensation of the movement of air in and out.

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Postby Ben » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:21 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Concentration meditation difficulties

Postby darods » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:20 pm

Thanks for the help. It really made a difference, I realised that obviously whenever I realise I am visualising on what is happening with the nose that I am not paying attention to what I should be doing which is focussing on the sensation. So now the moment it happens I switch to attempting to focus on what I feel.

One other thing though I have noticed is that in some sessions I cannot actually feel the sensations of breathing. I may feel something up inside my nose always but sometimes I cannot feel the breath at the end of the nose/upper lip. Or other times I can feel it when breathing out but not in and vice versa. At these times when I cannot feel it, so thus no sensation to focus on, should I be thinking of nothing?

Thankyou again.

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