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Do good people go to Hell?

Postby Dhammabodhi » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:15 am

A Dhamma story by Ajahn Brahm:




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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby perkele » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:52 pm

Not available in Germany due to copyright issues with the music... :/
Will I go to hell or not?
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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby Dhammabodhi » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:29 am

Hello perkele,

I'm sorry to hear that, and also surprised since it is accessible in France. I tried to find the Dhamma talk of Ajahn Brahm from which this video has been made, unfortunately it seems that it is no longer available online. Sorry. :(
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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby cooran » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:53 am

Hello all,

Not by Ajahn Brahmavamso, but still clarifying the question in the title of this thread:

Who will be reborn in Hell?
http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Pesala/Hell/hell.html#Who

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby perkele » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:47 pm

Oh, thank you guys.
@Chris: Is the content of Ajahn Brahm's talk very closely related to the writings of Bhikkhu Pesala?

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby manas » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:22 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby manas » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:55 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:52 am

The (The Greater Exposition of Kamma) may be the most relevant to this question.

The only sure guarantee to avoid falling into the four lower realms (including hell) is to practise insight meditation to the stage of the first path, and become a Stream-winner.

Failing that, you can be sure that wholesome kamma will give a happy result, and unwholesome kamma will give an unhappy result, so avoid the latter and cultivate the former. The most important thing to do in this life is to cultivate the wholesome kamma of insight meditation, which is directed towards the cessation of kamma, not aiming to gain rebirth in heaven, but aiming towards the cessation of rebirth.

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Postby manas » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:38 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:04 am

DUE TO the darkness without any light,
the deathless upper land is out of sight.
In time, you can’t struggle on in any way,
drifting in the whirlpool in this bay all day

NOW, it’s the most favourable chance,
five rare attainments to enhance,
oh! You’re a man of international fame,
and you’ve plenty of affairs all the same.

They seem important and real,
but they are not worthy nor essential.
Your viewpoint is neither clear nor right,
in charcoal-room at dark cloudy midnight.

You perform good actions occasionally,
according to your whims, traditionally.
Time is steadily passing without stopping,
as to death, the leveller, you’re approaching.

As a gift or fee for the executioner,
with various foods, to present or to offer,
resting in the aggregates of wealthy chamber,
you are waiting to die with satisfaction
enjoying the worldly assumed perfection.

THOUGH they’re causes of grief and despair,
you fancy them to be a pleasant affair,
with unseen starting point of life,
in the process of existences that strike,
always you’re in perpetual hunger,
without quenching the thirst of desire.
You’re seeking taste in objects as in reality,
but they’re just a pile of ash in fragility.
Hoisting the banner of self-centred ‘I,’
you live like a villager’s swine in sty.
That pig will become fatter and fatter
for food, its danger is nearer and nearer.
You’re haughty and proud in society,
lofty with status and without anxiety,
you’re happy and pragmatic
just like that villager’s pig.
Screened by custom, pride, society, and glory,
far from seeing any truth or reality,
you have to face the total loss at last,
to mingle with common ash and earth.

THE EMPIRE of ‘I’ is very large,
in three eras from sky to earth.
Fire of death is blazing down ever and anon,
that won’t leave even a tiny atom,
shaking the whole universe
death, the murderer, is at large.

The existences or lives are only fuel.
Appearance and disappearance are perpetual,
death is the only monarch,
in cycles of world after world.

You can’t have the knowledge of reality,
on conditional materiality and mentality;
when will you be able to extinguish the fire
that’s very dangerous, ferocious and dire?

( Venerable Ledi Sayādaw)
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby Ben » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:13 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby manas » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:35 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby Ben » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:47 am

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby asdf » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:09 pm

I'm new to Buddhism. What's the difference between the Christian/theist concept of hell and Buddhist hell? From what I gather Christians, Muslims, etc. believe that people suffer in a fiery pit for all of eternity while getting whipped by Satan and such. I know that Buddhism is all about impermanent states of being, but was there ever any elaboration on what hell is actually like? Is it seemingly never ending physical pain or something else? Is there physical pain or just some transparent perception of it?

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Re: Do good people go to Hell?

Postby Ben » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:49 pm

Getting whipped by Satan? That sounds kinda hot!
Seriously...
The fundamental difference is that the depiction of hell preserved in the Theravada is that one's stay in a hell realm is impermanent. One's stay in hell may be for an extraordinarily long time, but it eventually ends. There are also different hells.
As to whethr hell is real or metaphorical - both interpretations have currency. There are also some very graphical depictions but I don't have time at the moment to source those for you. Perhaps some of our knowledgeable members can point you in the right direction.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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