Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

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Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Sidney » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:56 am

Does anyone know where to get the late Ven. Mogok Sayadaw's instructions on the practice of vipassana?
Mogok Sayadaw was beleived to be an arahat and left relics when his body was cremated and his method of practice is very popular in Burma.
But I am not sure if the transcription of the Sayadaw's discourse on the practice in English is available on the web; can any one help????

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Postby Ben » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:51 pm

Sidney wrote:Does anyone know where to get the late Ven. Mogok Sayadaw's instructions on the practice of vipassana?
Mogok Sayadaw was beleived to be an arahat and left relics when his body was cremated and his method of practice is very popular in Burma.
But I am not sure if the transcription of the Sayadaw's discourse on the practice in English is available on the web; can any one help????

Sidney


This might be of assistance: http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/thtutmg.htm
London Mogok Vipassana Centre: http://www.mogok.co.uk/
Otherwise, I suggest you write to Mogok Vipassana Yeiktha, Bahan, Yangon, Myanmar
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Re: Introducing Mahasi Method

Postby Sidney » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:10 pm

Thanks, it is the monastry that I am going but they do not have the Sayadaw's discourse transcriped in English for the public.
Mogok does not have a well organised international network as Mahasi.
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Re: Introducing Mahasi Method

Postby Sidney » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:13 pm

Thanks I've found it now.
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Re: Introducing Mahasi Method

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:32 pm

Hi Sidney,

Is Mogok Sayadaw's practise related to Mahasi Sayadaw? If not, it might be better if we split up this thread.

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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby bodom » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:46 pm

*MODERATOR NOTE*

As Mogok Sayadaw does not teach the Mahasi method this thread has been split from the Introducing Mahasi Method thread.


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A selection of Mogok Sayadaw's teachings can be found in this excellent book by Jack Kornfield:

Living Dharma:
Teachings and Meditation Instructions from Twelve Theravada Masters

http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/i ... -832-5.cfm

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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Ben » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:51 pm

Interestingly, when I was in Mandalay I was doing a thirty-day course at Dhamma Mandala near Yay Tagun Hill. Next door was a monastery and at the same time they were conducting a 28-day course of vipassana for their monks. We were blasted by the monasteries loudspeaker from 3.45AM to about 10PM at night with discourses, various chantings and meditation instructions. At the end of my course I asked the very senior Burmese old students and the teacher taking our course (head teacher for Myanmar), and they explained that they were doing vipassana in the style of the Mogok Sayadaw. And they said how helpful it was because it was almost identical to what was being taught by SN Goenka!.
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Nicro » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:42 am

bodom wrote:Living Dharma:
Teachings and Meditation Instructions from Twelve Theravada Masters[/b]
http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/i ... -832-5.cfm

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I was about to put that down. I was looking through the book today at his method and it didn't seem much like Goenka's method to me. I don't know much about Goenka's method, but what I was reading in the book didn't seem like body scanning.
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Ben » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:50 am

There's more to SN Goenka's method than 'body scanning'.
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Sidney » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:41 am

Nicro wrote:
bodom wrote:Living Dharma:
Teachings and Meditation Instructions from Twelve Theravada Masters[/b]
http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/i ... -832-5.cfm

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I was about to put that down. I was looking through the book today at his method and it didn't seem much like Goenka's method to me. I don't know much about Goenka's method, but what I was reading in the book didn't seem like body scanning.


As far as I can gather there are four types or ways to practise vipassana; viz. kaynupassana which is contemplation on the body; e.g. anapana or mindful breathing which is a common practice among yogis, at least for a start.
vedananupassana is contemplation on the sensations; e.g. Ledi, Saya Thetgyi, U Ba Khin, IMC & Goenka
cittanupassana is contemplation on thoughts; sub speciality of the Mogok practice
dhammarnupassana is roughly a contemplation on the Dhamma aspects and has a wide range including contemplation of the four elements (earth, fire, air & water n.b. do not take them literally); on 32 components of the body; on the five aggregates; on paticca samupada; on the qualities of the Buddha; etc.. you can name any and it will be included.

If we were to regard the Mogok practice & Goenka's the same, it is true in a sense as both starts with the practice of kayanupassana, then vedananupassana, and perhaps will end with Dhammarnupassana .

If we were to regard them as different; Goenka's practice emphasises more on vedanarnupassana and may ignore citanupassana at least at the beginning when developing samadhi. In Mogok practice once a yogi attains khanika samadhi (a short spell of one-piontedness) the yogi must open all the portals and watch any stimulus that comes in and try to contemplate its beginning and the end; that includes thoughts. The Sayadaw gave an example of a spider sitting in the middle of the web awaiting any insect that gets trapped on any part of the web and then goes for it. The Sayadaw emphasized the importance of not getting too deep in samatha as it will produce attractions that will distract the yogi from proceeding in the right direction; and instead do vipassana; i.e. open and see as it is.
The next step in Mogok practice is to analyze and reflect to observe and understand anicca, dukkaha and anatta; i.e. Dhammanupassana. Afterwards try to observe and understand what you are experiencing with the paticca samupadda. This practice will ensure a yogi to experience the three characteristics of nature by thutamanya, cintamanya & bhavanamanya nana.
Most yoigis who are ardent in the practice will reach this objective which will ensure a good destination for at least once.
For those who have more paramis will procced to further stages and will practice equanimity and wait for the time to come, which may be similar to that of Goenkaji's; but without real understanding of anicca, dukkha and anatta there is always a risk of ego which is a hinderance to liberation.
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Sidney » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:55 am

You may want to know what is special about the Mahasi's practice.
It emphasizes on the continuity of awareness for as much as possible; i.e. while we are doing our daily chores. It is the necessacity for those who are awaiting the right time to come; especially good for yogis with a higher parami and has already attained insights. The basics are more or less the same with Mogok.

People may say mixing can be a hinderance; i.e. too many cooks spoil the broth.
However, there are certain things and times where right mixing produces excellent results, provided you know what you are doing; e.g. in producing scents and whisky.
If I were to mix my choice would be as follows:
1. start with Goenka, or IMC
2. continue with Mogok
3. wait with Mahasi.

Good luck and best wishes!

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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Moggalana » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:34 am

bodom wrote:Living Dharma:
Teachings and Meditation Instructions from Twelve Theravada Masters

http://www.shambhala.com/html/catalog/i ... -832-5.cfm


This book is online at Google Books: http://books.google.de/books?id=8InEkEp ... &q&f=false (direct link to the chapter on Mogok Sayadaw's teachings)
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Soe Win Htut » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:22 pm

Sidney wrote:Does anyone know where to get the late Ven. Mogok Sayadaw's instructions on the practice of vipassana?
Mogok Sayadaw was beleived to be an arahat and left relics when his body was cremated and his method of practice is very popular in Burma.
But I am not sure if the transcription of the Sayadaw's discourse on the practice in English is available on the web; can any one help????

Sidney


Nowadays, in myanmar, Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana Way is the most well known and has being practiced most by Myanmar people.
Almost every ward/township of the our country, Myanmar has Mogok Vipassana meditation centre which will be small or big.
As much as I can know about Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana Way;

Sayadaw Gyi mentioned and taught the importance of the role of the understanding the Dependent Origination(Paticca Samuppada). and explained what is Vipassana in details.
In his way, he taught his disciples not to note relative truths or not to do meditation at first.
At first, it is necessary to have right understanding for Vipassana Meditation via knowledge based on learning (Suta-maya Panna).
Without right understanding, any meditation will be less advantages.
Right understanding is the most importance in Vipassana practice.
To have right understanding in Vipassana, at first we need to understand the Dependent Origination(Paticca Samuppada) by knowledge (Suta-maya Panna).
(i.e we need first to accept the truth that there is no something, someone, individual , I , me , mine, you , yours but just arising and disappearing nature __impermanent nature which is forever constant and its illusive creation to think the relative truths__created truths as reality (Just dukkha sacca and samudaya sacca) in Sankhara Loka.)

Here is my collection of the Mogok vipassana method ebooks in English in below link;

There will be six ebooks;

http://www.mediafire.com/?twtj4aldjdowt
Awareness(mental noting) alone is not enough for real enlightenment. (Ashin Tejaniya)
Created truths(Sammuti Sacca) are just to be used only, experienced only and known only but .....they are not for noting, believing, confirming, centering and thinking as reality and real importance.
Vipassana (Insight meditation) is just the abandoning the mind-action of centering, grasping, confirming, and attaching the created truths as reality and as of real importance.
To Learn more....
http://www.thabarwa.org, or
http://www.thabarwa.org/guided-insight-mp3-talks/
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby myadeepa » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:13 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogok_Saya ... i_U_Wimala)
http://www.dhammadownload.com

I recommend this camp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8m9YbS ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8m9YbS ... re=related
The teacher( U Kyaw Sein ) from Zalun Township, Hinthada District, Ayeyawady Division of Myanmar, One of famous mogoke vipassana meditation camps, intensive training
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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby Javier » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:34 am

hi everybody
i reckon the Mogok Sayadaw method looks very interesting...

I'm going to Burma on January and i'm looking for a meditation retreat and I think I would like to do a retreat on Mogok's meditation "tradition".
Do you know if is possible to do in English? in this case is it possible just to pop up in the place and start the retreat? (as in so many places in Thailand...); is it possible to do 10 days retreat? (the classical 28days is a bit too much for me ), is the adress that one in the beginning of this post?

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Re: Mogok Sayadaw's Vipassana practice

Postby vidar » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:32 pm

Javier wrote:hi everybody
i reckon the Mogok Sayadaw method looks very interesting...

I'm going to Burma on January and i'm looking for a meditation retreat and I think I would like to do a retreat on Mogok's meditation "tradition".
Do you know if is possible to do in English? in this case is it possible just to pop up in the place and start the retreat? (as in so many places in Thailand...); is it possible to do 10 days retreat? (the classical 28days is a bit too much for me ), is the adress that one in the beginning of this post?

thank you so much


Maybe if you contact the London Mogok Vipassana Centre they can answer your questions:

http://www.mogok.co.uk/

contact@mogok.co.uk
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