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the great rebirth debate

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby kirk5a » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:53 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby santa100 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:08 pm

Ah, Hell, you know where to find it by reading your daily newspaper. Innocent children starving to death in Somalia, young girls being gang-raped by warlord militants in Africa, women strapping themselves with explosives and blowing their neighbors up into bits in the Middle East, fathers committ incestuous violence against their daughters in Europe and America, etc. I'm sure for these poor folks, one second in their lives must've felt like a century. Oh yes, there's no doubt that hell is as "real" and "literal" as it could get! And it just doesn't stop there. We all know Suffering knows no bounds, so don't be surprised if there's a "realm" out there where pains and sufferings are about 10 or 100 or 1000....fold greater..Some motivation for us all to practice harder eh..

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:43 pm

The Theravada take on this is that yes, hell and hungry gosts are real.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby PeterB » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:48 pm

That depends.

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby Tex » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:41 pm

Whether the hells or heavenly realms are taken literally or metaphorically, the important thing to understand, in my view, is that all of our actions have consequences. Wholesome leads to wholesome and unwholesome leads to unwholesome. And as far as the spectrum of our actions reaches in both wholesome and unwholesome directions, so too do the results.

But if we are able to understand that all living beings are worthy of loving-kindness and compassion and we work hard to treat them accordingly, all the heaven/hell stuff will sort itself out just fine.
"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby phil » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:01 pm

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:20 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby Alex123 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:32 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby phil » Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:21 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby Zom » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:17 am

Thinking that heavens and hells should not be taken "literally" - is the Wrong View.

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Re: Is hell and hungry ghost realm to be taken literally?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:38 am

Please see from the Majjhimanikāya.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)


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