Anapanasati Vs. jhana

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Re: Anapanasati Vs. jhana

Postby daverupa » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:59 pm

There's an interesting document linked in the Early Buddhism resources thread which convincingly argues that "secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states" should instead translate into "in order to become secluded from sensual pleasures, in order to become secluded from unwholesome states". The Pali jhana boilerplate is possibly just a tad corrupt.

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Postby starter » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:09 am

Greetings, and Happy Chinese New year to all Chinese friends!

The Buddha used Anapanasati to reach the 4th jhana, and gain the supernormal power. I believe that Anapanasati alone can lead us to the "mastery over the elements, walking in space, diving in rocks, etc...", though kasina meditation can also lead to that.

By the way, Anapanasati taught in MN 118 is for practicing four mindfulness (the 7th path factor), not really for entering deep jhana, as I understand. From the suttas I've gotten a sense that the Buddha probably used simple breath meditation (watching in & out breathing, like the first tetrad of MN 118) for entering jhana. The jhana experience he obtained when he was a child certainly had nothing to do with more than watching the breath, I suppose.

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Postby starter » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:16 am

Greetings!

I tend to think that Anapanasati described in MN 118 is for those who have mastered jhana to use it to practice 4 mindfulness, not for beginners to try to enter jhana this way. This is also one of the reasons that I think MN 10 should be practiced before MN 118.

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Postby hermitwin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:16 am

Ayya Khema said' vipassana is not a meditation method, it is the result of meditation. I repeat, vipassana is not a meditation method, it is the outcome.
Vipassana means insight. Not a superior meditation method.

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Re: Anapanasati Vs. jhana

Postby hermitwin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:34 am

Here is the talk by Ayya Khema.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzSFB3PO6Js

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Postby hermitwin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:37 am

For more meditation instructions.

http://www.dharmaseed.org/teacher/334/

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