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Ancient Buddhists

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Ancient Buddhists

Postby dcs » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:47 am

Does anyone know what term Buddhists used to refer to themselves during the ancient and medieval time periods? I imagine that "Buddhist" must be a relatively recent term coined by Westerners during the Colonial era.

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:34 am

I am sure it was not Buddha-wallahs.

I haven't a clue, but Buddha-sasana, is a way of referring to the Buddha's teachings; Dhammika, a follower of the Dhamma, but my guess is that some one will have answer.

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby Ben » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:42 am

I recollect that the term "dhammika" is in the tipitaka and refers to one who practices the Dhamma.
Other terms: "savaka" or "hearer". Originally used for the Buddha's chief disciples but a wider usage was adopted later. Other ancient terms which I think became the names of ancient schools are Savakavadin and Vibhangavadin. If memory serves me well, a vibhangavadin was one who responded after careful analysis of a question or one who's path is analysis.
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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby Kare » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:34 am

In the Pali text we find that those who follow a teacher, can be called sons and daughters of that teacher. So we sometimes find Buddhists called Buddhaputta (son of Buddha).
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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:56 am

Kare has it to my readings also, but I also remember (not the pali) sons/daughters of the sakiyan, but I think both may of been interchangeable. the Buddha also refered to his disciples as his children though.

on another note Ajahn Chah also was given a prophesy of "not having a wife but 100's of children" before he was ordained! he did apparently wonder how this was possible.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby ancientbuddhism » Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:37 pm

As for the °ism there is 'doctrine and discipline' (dhammavinaye), and another descriptor for a follower of such is ‘appamatto vihassati’ (DN.16) for one who ‘vigilantly abides’ in dhammavinaya.
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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby gavesako » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:22 pm

These days in Thailand it is common to refer to dedicated Buddhists as "Buddha-māmaka" though I am not sure how old this Pali term is.
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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby Kare » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:07 pm

But I have to admit that when I first saw the heading "Ancient Buddhists", I thought it was something about us Buddhists who are approaching 70 ... :mrgreen:
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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby Monkey Mind » Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:46 pm

What about this term upasaka or upasika? I see it used sometimes, but I don't know the origin.
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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby bodom » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:43 pm

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To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

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Re: Ancient Buddhists

Postby yamaka » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:11 pm

Sometime Buddha has too addressed his disciple as [Kulaputta](Literally young man of a good family)

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