Bit of a Quandary

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Bit of a Quandary

Postby Beautiful Breath » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:36 pm

...not a huge issue but one on my mind anyway:

I practice Satipatthana as a rule... I was recently introduced to a wonderful DVD about Korean Zen nuns...there was a passage quoted in it (like to know where from if anyone knows)...its left a lasting impression on me that seems to be interupting my practice:

"There is a thing so bright and divine,
Never Born,
Never Dying,
Without name
Or Form...

...What is this? "

They used the question "What is this?" as a sort of Koan - I find it incredibly seductive and it crops up in my practice!

Do you think this is a problem?

Thanks in advance


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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby Nicro » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:41 pm

Is it the DVD where they are staying up for a couple days meditating? I've been wanting to see that myself.

I'm not sure where it is from though. I don't think it is a problem either. Just see it and acknowledge it no matter how many times it comes it.

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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby daverupa » Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:51 pm

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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby kirk5a » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:13 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby chownah » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:14 am

I don't think it's a problem...I think it's an opportunity.
My advise on this is highly questionable so please do not accept it without questioning (hahahha as if).
1. concentrate the mind
2. contemplate the koan until the mind is deeply involved and has become "comfortable" or "familiar" with the koan
3. become mindful of the activity of contemplating the koan

This involves shifting the minds focus twice; once from concentration to contemplation and once from contemplation to mindfulness.....difficult but possible. If you don't get it right the first time (you should be so lucky) then keep trying...eventually it should happen even if by accident. The second shift will probably be the difficult one and perhaps (maybe...not sure) a good strategy to do this one is that if you let the mind contemplate the koan long enough the mind will eventually stop (on its own?) and at that time instead of just shifting back to concentration (as some people do) shift to mindfulness taking the last hints of the koan contemplation as the content of the mind......
This might not work....but then it doesn't cost anything to try and it shouldn't take long to give it a trial.....I you think that trying this could be harmful?????? :jawdrop:

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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby Ben » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:52 am

Greetings Beautiful Breath ,

Follow the instructions as per the methodology you are practicing and be careful not to get sidetracked by mental detritus.
kind regards

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:50 am

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Re: Bit of a Quandary

Postby santa100 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:37 pm

There are many meditation methods by different school: vipassana, samatha (Theravada), Buddha-name-recitation (PureLand), Koan/Hoatau (Zen), etc.. I think you should try to find the one that fits you the best and then stick with just that method for a while. Just so that you can fully focus/dedicate all your energy onto 1 method instead of scattering it on multiple ones. It'd be more effective that way in my opinion. Good luck..

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