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Heavens to betsy

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Heavens to betsy

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Re: Heavens to betsy

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:12 pm

I'd really like to know what the monks are chanting.


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Postby Fede » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:27 pm

:broke:

"We're in the money! We're in the money!"

Gracious me that really is a limit.....!
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Heavens to betsy

Postby kc2dpt » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:18 pm

From the article:

"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
- Peter


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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:41 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby mikenz66 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:54 pm

This isn't particularly special, apart from the coffins it sounds like what I've seen at the local Wat. Here the lay person just disappears under a sheet, the monks chant some of the funeral chants about "sankhara anicca...", then they come out and the monks chant some sort of birth chant.

As far as I can understand, people do it here to "turn over a new leaf", etc, when they want to "turn their life around". Of course it might be more effective for them to do a meditation retreat, but I think there is a place for ritual as long as one appreciates it for what it is. At least they make some merit by making a donation...

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Postby retrofuturist » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:58 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Heavens to betsy

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:10 am

I know someone who uses a coffin for a coffee table as a reminder of impermanence. Frankly, I don't feel it's fair to rush to judgment without knowing exactly what the monks are chanting, and how the experience of lying in a coffin is affecting people. That's my two cents.


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Re: Heavens to betsy

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:40 am

Hi Bhante,

Thank you for your feedback :anjali:


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Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:44 am

Truly dealing with the truth of change and impermanence can bring great comfort in a time of stress. Knowing that things will pass is a nice reminder. That's what I mean to say :smile:
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Re: Heavens to betsy

Postby salmon » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:53 am

Whatever it does, it's so good, a movie was made about it :rofl:




ps. dunno about the spiritual value of the show...but the lead actor is cute! :jumping:
(oops...gotta watch my attachment to sensual pleasures there...heehee)
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Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:45 am

i didnt click on the link but ive read the posts so i think i know what youre talking about. a thai guy gets under a sheet and is reborn while monks chant. this is a symbolic ritual. the person being reborn is going through a change in life the ritual helps to "bring it home". probably helps one's resolve much more than a drunken new year's resolution. i think the monks chant abhidhamma stuff as thats whats chanted at funerals in thailand (i think).
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:47 am

oh i read it, they use coffins not sheets, but i think it's the same ritual.
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Heavens to betsy

Postby christopher::: » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:01 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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