NDat wrote:However, the mindfulness practice in Satipatthana Sutta is also the direct path to liberation. What is the link between these two?
Nicro wrote:I'm not sure if I find the ladder analogy good though; all the factors are developed together not one by one.
appicchato wrote:Nicro wrote:I'm not sure if I find the ladder analogy good though; all the factors are developed together not one by one.
I agree with you somewhat...although when I expressed this here some time back I was 'corrected' by several that it (N8P) does indeed begin (not just numerically) with 'Right View (#1)...it has led to my leaning in that direction...
NDat wrote:Thanks for your explanations. However, I am still a little bit confused.
If Satipatthana Sutta teaches Mindfulness and Concentration only, then it may not be the direct path to liberation because we still need other steps in the Eightfold Path (Right Speech, Right Action ...). I have a feeling that this mindfulness practice is to develop the awareness that will help us to achieve Right View in the Noble Eightfold Path. When we encounter an event in our life, with Right View our intentions will be right. With right view, and right intention we will speak rightly. With right view, right intention, right speech, then we will act properly. With right view, intention, speech, action, we will then find ourselves living in a pleasurable livelihood. With right view, intention, speech, action, livelihood, we will find ourselves doing more wholesome actions than unwholesome ones. With right view, intention, speech, action, livelihood, effort we will fill and focus our mind into wholesome thoughts. With right view, intention, speech, action, livelihood, effort, mindfulness we will be able to concentrate on a proper wholesome thought that will benefit to the current event. (This is my own novice understanding. I see the Dharma wheel rolling that way. It seems like I try to make sense the claim that Satipatthana Sutta is the direct path to liberation! Be free to correct me.). I feel that when I do not have awareness to the way things really are, I always react to whatever comes to my life, and many times they created so many problems. When I have some awareness, I can hold myself off the reactions and response to the situation better. With awareness only, there is no self (personality) in the thought/view. When there is no self, there is no like or dislike. When there is no like or dislike, there is no craving, and we are walking the middle way, and with the understanding of the four noble truths, we will obtain Right View and the dharma wheel will roll by itself.
It sounds too good to be true, so I am looking for some advice that could pointing me the errors in my thinking.
Thanks all for your help.
"And what is right mindfulness? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting away greed & distress with reference to the world. He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... the mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. This is called right mindfulness.
Right view is the beginning and the end of the path, it simply means to see and to understand things as they really are and to realise the Four Noble Truths. As such, right view is the cognitive aspect of wisdom. It means to see things through [or to see through things?], to grasp the impermanent and imperfect nature of worldly objects and ideas, and to understand the law of karma and karmic conditioning. Right view is not necessarily an intellectual capacity, just as wisdom is not just a matter of intelligence. Instead, right view is attained, sustained, and enhanced through all capacities of mind. It begins with the intuitive insight that all beings are subject to suffering and it ends with complete understanding of the true nature of all things. Since our view of the world forms our thoughts and our actions, right view yields right thoughts and right actions.
To end suffering, we will need to practice this Noble Eightfold Path. However, the mindfulness practice in Satipatthana Sutta is also the direct path to liberation. What is the link between these two? How could Noble Eightfold path or mindfulness lead us to end of suffering?
7. Right Mindfulness
Right mindfulness is the controlled and perfected faculty of cognition. It is the mental ability to see things as they are, with clear consciousness. Usually, the cognitive process begins with an impression induced by perception, or by a thought, but then it does not stay with the mere impression. Instead, we almost always conceptualise sense impressions and thoughts immediately. We interpret them and set them in relation to other thoughts and experiences, which naturally go beyond the facticity of the original impression. The mind then posits concepts, joins concepts into constructs, and weaves those constructs into complex interpretative schemes. All this happens only half consciously, and as a result we often see things obscured. Right mindfulness is anchored in clear perception and it penetrates impressions without getting carried away. Right mindfulness enables us to be aware of the process of conceptualisation in a way that we actively observe and control the way our thoughts go. Buddha accounted for this as the four foundations of mindfulness: 1. contemplation of the body, 2. contemplation of feeling (repulsive, attractive, or neutral), 3. contemplation of the state of mind, and 4. contemplation of the phenomena.
2. We practice meditation to develop the awareness (as I understand) to see thing the way it is. Where is this awareness in the Noble Eightfold Path (Right Mindfulness/Right Concentration)? Can we end suffering by practicing meditation only
Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and peacefully. The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2. dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs. Furthermore any other occupation that would violate the principles of right speech and right action should be avoided.
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