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Unorthodox Vipassana

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Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sacha G » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:14 pm

Hi
I just wanted to expose the unorthodox way I practice vipassana (not always but for a good part of my practice).
When I'm concentrated enough, I focus my awareness on the pure consciousness which appears "around" and "between" the thoughts (I hope it's clear enough). I would call this, "recognizing" of the pure consciousness.
Then I try to stay on it as much as I can, without paying attention to the thoughts. Like somebody looking at a mirror, and wanting to see the mirror itself, not the reflections.
When I leave the cushion, I try to be aware of my environment as just "phenomena" appearing on the surface of this consciousness, and I try to keep this detached awareness.
What do you think? Can you call this vipassana? Or does it sound more like zen/dzogchen/advaita? :juggling:
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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby bodom » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:33 pm

Ajahn Sumedho speaks on the practice of noticing the "space" between thoughts here:

Noticing Space
http://www.meditationthailand.com/noticingsumedho.htm

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sacha G » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:40 pm

Thank you Bodom
I will look at that.
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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:52 pm

It does sound more like Dzogchen....rather than unorthodox Vipassana.
I think Dzogchen is well established in Theravada practice..it just tends not to be called that.
Or at least that was the case until Ajahn Amaro became a formal Dzogchen student.
Now it is known by that name.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:55 pm

:goodpost:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sacha G » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:23 am

Pali and Theravada texts:
http://dhamma.webnode.com

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:07 am

:goodpost:

Its been there all along. Its just that Theravadin folk are less likely to form themselves into a club within a club...

This is the basis of real Buddhist unity.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby pegembara » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:27 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby piotr » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:56 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:18 am

Sylvester, piotr,

Would it be possible for you to explain this in simpler terms so I could understand where the problem lies?

:anjali:
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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sylvester » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:36 am

Hi Mike.

I'm still reeling from the shock and dismay, so perhaps piotr could do the honours.

All this gobbledy-gook about "unsupported" or objectless consciousness or "unmanifest" mind (the anidassana vinnana, again!) is simply too much for me.

If the good monk had instead invested in some study of Pali, perhaps he could have avoided this silliness about "atthi" being a nexus for the unconditioned.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby ground » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:08 am

When there is contact with symbols (words) vedana arises. In the wake of that symbols may be invested with meanings originally not intended by the one who offered the symbols.
It is all about the nature of language.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sylvester » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:20 am


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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby piotr » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:27 am

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:30 am

Thanks!

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby piotr » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:42 am

Hi,

bhante Amaro made unsupported remark about usage and meaning of two words in Pali. That's not being creative, but wrong. I don't think that we question everything what he said or did in his life, but rather, we point out this one mistake. People do make mistakes, whoever they might be.
Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...


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