Is it ever O.K. to lie?

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

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I don't know Whynotme, even in this Buddhist forum, your view is very, what can I say, "unique"...

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:46 pm

Then the only way to find out is to make a poll. Again, I'd ask folks to carefully re-read all the premises made by you and the extra premises made by me for the scenario..

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:09 pm

This thread is about "Is it ever O.K. to lie?" not about hypothetical situations about killing. Better to take those issues to the following thread or make another one:

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby whynotme » Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:52 am

Dear David,

Thanks for your suggestion.

OK, a bit off topic but I think we're here almost all Buddhists and talk in peace, so no need to rule strictly. And in my opinion, the thing discussed may related to other things, if move it to another threads or start new one it somehow will be nonsense.

Do you expect this topic only talk about is it OK to lie, but don't talk about Buddha, suttas,.. because one could start new threads to talk about those things or easily found similar topics already here?

It is just my opinion,
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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:14 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:53 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:50 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:04 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:22 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:38 am

I see. May be there is a misunderstanding.

When I say action is free, What I mean free is free from label good, bad, or neutral. Not free from intention.

I should write Action is free from label good, bad, or neutral.

The sutta, which you quote: show the relationship between contact, intention and action. So they are 3 different things, which always present when we do something. It doesn't mean they are same. Only inseparable.

Quite interesting. :jumping:
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:57 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Is it ever O.K. to lie?

Postby Claudia » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:54 pm

I take my vows (Silas) very, very seriously and I really try to keep them strictly.

But if it ever would happen, that a Neo-Nazi would stand in front of my door and ask if my african adopted daughter or my african and disabled foster daughter is here, I definitly would lie and say "no" to protect my children (and then I would call the police instantly).

We had a situation like this just a few months ago and it was alarming. I was not in the situation to lie, but it could have happened. I just had not been in this situation to lie, because I called the police before the young and violent people were able to asked me (my daughter recognized them and alarmed me).

To me it would have been o.k. to lie in this situation - if I made bad khamma, so I have to pay for it.

I would lie if I'd say: I would never lie.
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Claudia

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