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Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:48 am

Do you know Ajahn Amaro ? Or any of the sucessors to Luang Por Chah ?
If you do you will know that they wouldnt give a damn about being mistaken about the Pali... :smile:


He was borrowing a term to give words to the unsayable.

" The only book worth reading is the book of the heart "
Ajahn Chah.

That kind of approach will be anathema to some.
Probably best if that is the case to leave the Forest Sangha alone and concentrate on those teachers who are Pali scholars


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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby piotr » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:02 am

Hi PeterB,

Thanks for advice, I'll stay away from your sacred cow.
Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:31 am

You wouldn't be the first to say so....in fact of course they distance themselves even more from the Mahayana written corpus. Their approach is like or not, radically experiential. As such they are true heirs to Ajahns Mun and Chah.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:44 am

For whom Tilt ?
You had better tell THEM that. They would gently and politely beg to differ.
I must have attended several hundred hours of teachings by various Forest Ajahns including Ajahn Sumedho and I dont recall them referring to the Suttas at all.
Perhaps they are not Theravada . Seriously. And if they were not considered so I dont think they would lose sleep.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:50 am

Thats certainly one interpretation of their teachings.
The fact that Ajahn Amaro followed by a number of other Bhikkhus became formal Dzogchen students came as no surprise.
And clearly had the approval of Ajahn Sumedho.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:13 am

The fact that I attended hundreds of hours of teachings from Forest Sangha Ajahns and that during those teachings they did not refer to the Sutta is pretty much the case. I never claimed that none of them ever refer to the Suttas.

Whether Ajahn Amaro made a slip in the Pali in the context of this thread which is actually about a member asking if he was practising unorthodox Vipassana or orthodox Dzogchen is not of much consequence in the context of the thread in my opinion.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby Sacha G » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:11 am

Thanks guys for all the interesting comments.
Actually I consider myself a disciple of Ajahn Amaro. I didn't know he was so welcoming to this idea of unconditioned awareness.( I knew Luang Po Sumedho was however).
So I might not be mistaken after all.
Thanks
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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:24 am

I dont think you are mistaken at all Sacha.

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

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Re: Unorthodox Vipassana

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:06 pm

This is a very interesting and important conversation that goes to the heart of Dhamma practice.

I've certainly got a lot more from instruction by those (famous or not) who have clearly walked the path than from studying minute details of suttas and commentaries. On the other hand, that material that has been preserved from ancient times does provide an important "reality check". So it is a little disappointing to find what appear to be rather elementary errors in a written document that purports to be a careful analysis of texts.

However, the chances that any analytical work is entirely free of errors is rather small, so perhaps we should recognize that there seems to be an error in this case and move on.


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