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Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:06 am

I would seriously doubt your account of the meditation techniques used, Bhikku Pesala. Since you are quoting scriptures, can you show us an example?
For the point of discussion, it should be plain to see that the understanding of past lives was a product of the Buddha's awakening. Can anyone dispute this? If so, please show.

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby cooran » Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:42 am

Hello all,

This may be of interest to some. An interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson:
Scientific Proof of Reincarnation - Dr. Ian Stevenson's Life Work
"Either he [Dr. Stevenson] is making a colossal mistake. Or he will be known as the Galileo of the 20th century." Dr Harold Lief in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease
• About Dr. Ian Stevenson
• Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
• Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby DarwidHalim » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:58 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:19 am

I'm not a sceptic, Bhikkhu Pesala. I'm just asking a question.
Was the understanding of rebirth a part of the Buddha's awakening? I say yes. What do you say?
Can children remember their past lives? I say no.

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:53 am

That is a reply, not an answer.

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:09 am

Have you? If so, please tell.

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:20 am

But I could say the same thing to you. Have you read him, and if so, what proves his assertions?

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:57 am

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In chess and some other abstract strategy games, the threefold repetition rule (also known as repetition of position) states that a player can claim a draw if the same position occurs three times, or will occur after their next move, with the same player to move. The repeated positions need not occur in succession. The idea behind the rule is that if the position is repeated three times, no progress is being made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition
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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby alan » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:08 am

I don't get you, tilt. Sometimes you seem smart. But other times you seem to pursue arguments for no good reason. Why do you do that?

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:31 am

Hahaha. A bit funny this debate.

I read some of Ian Stevenson case study, he has a case where the child clearly remember his past lives. He trace it back to see whether the child story is same or not.

If you go to YouTube, there are also so many cases you can see the child remember their past lives.

If you have open mind and not sectarian, I recommend you to see this documentary movie called "unmistaken child". This real documentary is available in YouTube. Please search for it.
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I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Ian Stevenson, Rebirth, and the Suttas

Postby PeterB » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:26 am

Ah yes.....however having an open mind can cut one of several ways.
The statement " having an open mind means that you will respond to data in the same way as me " is at best dubious.
I was once a rebirth literalist. A position I maintained for decades. Now I am open minded.


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