Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
by Cilla » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:23 am
Can anyone point me to the whole list of rules for nuns. I am curious. I know there is a lot of them. I'd really like to read that list.
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by Cilla » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:55 pm
Thanks for that . I"ve just had a quick look. Pretty scary. Pretty culturally and historically specific aren't they. I wonder if there has ever been any move to update them.
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by robertk » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:49 am
Yes I wonder who dreamed them up?
You seem deepy confident in your wisdom so maybe you can go through and cut out half of the really dumb ones .
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by tiltbillings » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:03 am
Cilla wrote:Thanks for that . I"ve just had a quick look. Pretty scary. Pretty culturally and historically specific aren't they.
Why would you think that the teachings would not exist within a cultural context. Given that women, in India at that time, were seen to be not much above chattel, the inclusion of women, even with these additional rules, which were a concession to the sexism of the day, the inclusion of women into the sangha and the inclusion of a body of texts by women into the Pali Canon was extremely radical at the time.
What is the use of his knowledge
pertaining to the number of insects in the whole world?
Rather, inquire into his knowledge of
that which is to be practised by us
-- Dharmakirti
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.
Níl sa saol seo ach ceo
There is naught in this life but mist
Is ní bheimid beo ach seal beag gearr.
And we will not be alive but a short hard time.
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by Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:03 am
robertk wrote:Yes I wonder who dreamed them up?
You seem deepy confident in your wisdom so maybe you can go through and cut out half of the really dumb ones .
Eight great precepts hanging on the wall, if one great precept would accidentally fall, there'd be seven great precepts hanging on the wall.
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If one great precept should accidentally fall, there'd be nun at all.
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by Monkey Mind » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:54 pm

thank you, Bhante
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.
Sutta Nipāta 3.710
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by daverupa » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:22 pm
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:robertk wrote:Yes I wonder who dreamed them up?
You seem deepy confident in your wisdom so maybe you can go through and cut out half of the really dumb ones .
Eight great precepts hanging on the wall, if one great precept would accidentally fall, there'd be seven great precepts hanging on the wall.
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If one great precept should accidentally fall, there'd be nun at all.
Does this refer to the eight garudhamma rules? Because those rules pretty much apply solely to Mahapajapati...
"There is, headman, dhammasamādhi. If you were to obtain cittasamādhi in that, you might abandon this state of perplexity. And what, headman, is dhammasamādhi?
[kammapatha & brahmavihara, & a method of arousing gladness]"
- SN 42.13 - Pāṭaliya"Others will misapprehend according to their individual views, hold on to them tenaciously and not easily discard them; we shall not misapprehend according to individual views nor hold on to them tenaciously, but shall discard them with ease — thus effacement can be done."
- MN 8 - Sallekha Sutta
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