Rules for nuns

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Rules for nuns

Postby Cilla » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:23 am

Can anyone point me to the whole list of rules for nuns. I am curious. I know there is a lot of them. I'd really like to read that list.
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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:28 am

Bhikkhunī Pāṭimokkha
The Bhikkhunīs' Code of Discipline
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... -pati.html

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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby Cilla » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:55 pm

Thanks for that . I"ve just had a quick look. Pretty scary. Pretty culturally and historically specific aren't they. I wonder if there has ever been any move to update them.
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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby robertk » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:49 am

Yes I wonder who dreamed them up?
You seem deepy confident in your wisdom so maybe you can go through and cut out half of the really dumb ones .
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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:03 am

Cilla wrote:Thanks for that . I"ve just had a quick look. Pretty scary. Pretty culturally and historically specific aren't they.
Why would you think that the teachings would not exist within a cultural context. Given that women, in India at that time, were seen to be not much above chattel, the inclusion of women, even with these additional rules, which were a concession to the sexism of the day, the inclusion of women into the sangha and the inclusion of a body of texts by women into the Pali Canon was extremely radical at the time.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:03 am

robertk wrote:Yes I wonder who dreamed them up?
You seem deepy confident in your wisdom so maybe you can go through and cut out half of the really dumb ones .
Eight great precepts hanging on the wall, if one great precept would accidentally fall, there'd be seven great precepts hanging on the wall.
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If one great precept should accidentally fall, there'd be nun at all.
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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby Monkey Mind » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:54 pm

:rofl: thank you, Bhante
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710
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Re: Rules for nuns

Postby daverupa » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:22 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
robertk wrote:Yes I wonder who dreamed them up?
You seem deepy confident in your wisdom so maybe you can go through and cut out half of the really dumb ones .
Eight great precepts hanging on the wall, if one great precept would accidentally fall, there'd be seven great precepts hanging on the wall.
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If one great precept should accidentally fall, there'd be nun at all.


Does this refer to the eight garudhamma rules? Because those rules pretty much apply solely to Mahapajapati...
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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