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Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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Gawd, is this gonna be another 69 paged rebirth thread again? :pig:

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Postby pink_trike » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:08 am

The beauty of having fingers is that if a thread causes irritation we can always click to a different thread. :popcorn:
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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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Vision is Mind
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Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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Postby pink_trike » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:22 am

Yes, this is what I'm suggesting. It is easy to speculate about heavens and hells, and then be scared or comforted by our speculation. Far harder to just sit. Or practice renunciation. Or to do charnel ground practice. Or metta practice for our enemies, as if this very life depends on it. Here, now.
Vision is Mind
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Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

Postby BlackBird » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:34 am

Different realms of rebirth are mentioned all throughout the Sutta Pitaka.

"...On the break up of the body he reappears in the realm of..."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#iti-070
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... o.html#n-3

"4. When they were seated, they said to the Blessed One: "Master Gotama, what is the reason, what is the condition, why some beings here, on the dissolution of the body, after death, reappear in states of deprivation, in an unhappy destination, in perdition, even in hell; and what is the reason, what is the condition, why some beings here, on the dissolution of the body, after death, reappear in a happy destination, even in the heavenly world?"

5. "Householders, it is by reason of conduct not in accordance with the Dhamma, by reason of unrighteous conduct, that beings here on the dissolution of the body, after death, reappear in states of deprivation, in an unhappy destination, in perdition, even in hell. It is by reason of conduct in accordance with the Dhamma, by reason of righteous conduct, that some beings here on the dissolution of the body, after death, reappear in a happy destination, even in the heavenly world."
- http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... holesome10

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... howto-hell
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai ... tml#shades

"When he dies he reappears in conjunction with the Abhassara devas. The Abhassara devas, monks, have a life-span of two eons. A run-of-the-mill person having stayed there, having used up all the life-span of those devas, goes to hell, to the animal womb, to the state of the hungry shades. But a disciple of the Blessed One, having stayed there, having used up all the life-span of those devas, is unbound right in that state of being. This, monks, is the difference, this the distinction, this the distinguishing factor, between an educated disciple of the noble ones and an uneducated run-of-the-mill person, when there is a destination, a reappearing."

- http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... tml#jhana2

Pink, Clw_UK, do you recall why there is a rule in the Vinaya against Monks chopping down trees?

It's all there in the Suttas. The Buddha wouldn't say these things just because post mortem rebirth was a convention. After all, during the time of the Buddha the Dhamma was anything but convention. Not a lot has changed really.

As far as setting the notions of hell realms a side, why set them a side? They're a useful tool for maintaining a wholesome and skillful lifestyle.

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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
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Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: Anyone can go to hell, so be heedful

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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