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PC accepted by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby mirco » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:24 pm

Hi,

maybe someone can help me out:

I can remember having heard, that, not so long ago, there has been a meeting/convention, where representatives of many (all?) traditions have agreed, that the pali tipitaka is accepted the original teaching of the Buddha and is so to be use at least as the foundation for all traditions/schools ?

Does someone maybe has any details on that?

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Mirco
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Re: PC acceptet by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby daverupa » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:32 pm

You're thinking of this.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: PC acceptet by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:39 pm

Greetings Mirco,

It's a question that might be well asked over at Dharma Wheel - http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewforum.php?f=77 - to hear what Mahayanists have to say about it (after all, this is the "Discovering Theravada" section, so of course Theravada includes the Pali Canon).

I doubt you would find many Mahayanists accepting the Abhidhamma PItaka (the third basket of the Pali Canon) as "the original teaching of the Buddha and is so to be use at least as the foundation for all traditions/schools", but don't take my word it... best ask them.

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Re: PC acceptet by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:57 pm

retrofuturist wrote:I doubt you would find many Mahayanists accepting the Abhidhamma PItaka (the third basket of the Pali Canon) as "the original teaching of the Buddha and is so to be use at least as the foundation for all traditions/schools", but don't take my word it... best ask them.

That's certainly true. Different schools have different canons and none of the lists on the Wikipedia page that Dave linked to give precedence to any particular canon.

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Re: PC accepted by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby mirco » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:59 pm

Thanks for the answers so far.

:-)
"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as ‘concentration’, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps ‘unification’ is a better rendition, as samadhi means ‘to bring together’. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It’s a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience."
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Postby mirco » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:17 pm

daverupa wrote:You're thinking of this.

Yeah, I was thinking of that. No Canon agreement in there. I see.

Thanks :-)
"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as ‘concentration’, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps ‘unification’ is a better rendition, as samadhi means ‘to bring together’. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It’s a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience."
Bhikkhu Anālayo

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Re: PC accepted by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby PeterB » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:59 am

mirco wrote:Hi,

maybe someone can help me out:

I can remember having heard, that, not so long ago, there has been a meeting/convention, where representatives of many (all?) traditions have agreed, that the pali tipitaka is accepted the original teaching of the Buddha and is so to be use at least as the foundation for all traditions/schools ?

Does someone maybe has any details on that?

Best Regards,
Mirco

Dzogchen would see many of those points as provisional, rather than as axiomatic.

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Re: PC accepted by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:29 am

Greetings,

As this topic has gone as far as it can go in a "Discovering Theravada" capacity, it's going to be moved out.

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Through corruption of the Dhamma comes corruption of the discipline, and from corruption of the discipline comes corruption of the Dhamma. This is the first future danger as yet unarisen that will arise in the future. You should recognize it and make an effort to prevent it. (AN 5.79)

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Re: PC accepted by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby Zom » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:33 pm

I can remember having heard, that, not so long ago, there has been a meeting/convention, where representatives of many (all?) traditions have agreed, that the pali tipitaka is accepted the original teaching of the Buddha and is so to be use at least as the foundation for all traditions/schools ?
Does someone maybe has any details on that?


Generally yes. But - from my expansive discussions on Dhamma/Dharma with mahayanists, I noticed that when you give them some direct sutta quotation from Pali Canon - they just don't listen, don't take it as a proof, as an argument, and continue to think that only mahayana statements are correct. That is to say - they will agree with suttas only when they fit in their mahayanist views. If there is a controversy - they just don't listen. :|

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Re: PC acceptet by all traditions & school as authentic teaching

Postby cooran » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:08 pm

Retrofuturist said: I doubt you would find many Mahayanists accepting the Abhidhamma PItaka (the third basket of the Pali Canon) as "the original teaching of the Buddha and is so to be use at least as the foundation for all traditions/schools"


Different schools have different Abhidhammas:
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Abhidharma

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