befriend wrote:i think embracing a new philsophy on life could be helpful. say there is a slow driver in front of you. are you late for anything?, if you are can you just tell them there was a slow driver in front of you? say it is a little old woman do you think she can help driving slow. she probably thinks its the year 19 dickity 2 and is going god knows where, shes probably going to get lost in a few minutes. and have her driving privelages taking away from her. that should ellicit compassion not anger. say its a asshole teenager who wants to piss you off, so he drives the exact speed limit as an ironic joke. this teenager will suffer from his mean spiritedness and not find peace of mind. which should also ellicit compassion from you. REMEMBER THIS IS EARTH, THIS IS NOT HEAVEN. are you surpised that your toddler throws a temper tantrum when you dont buy her candy? do you get mad at a wolf for eating a sheep??????? kudos on your determination on curbing your anger. oh i forget, i used to be the angriest kid i knew, i actually have broken my hand in 3 places, and dislocated my shoulder and burned a relationship forever. now i woudlnt think of doing that. because of my philosophy. not because of my meditation.
PeterB wrote:Once more..perhaps you would care to share with us a little about where you learned Vipassana and from which organisation/s Chownah...it would help in comparing notes.
I seem to remember last time I asked you were a little vague.
"Vipassanā: 'insight', is the intuitive light flashing forth and exposing the truth of the impermanency, the suffering and the impersonal and unsubstantial nature of all material and mental phenomena of existence."
"Insight is not the result of a mere intellectual understanding, but is won through direct meditative observation of one's own bodily and mental processes."
chownah wrote:(the first sentence of the definition:)"Vipassanā: 'insight', is the intuitive light flashing forth and exposing the truth of the impermanency, the suffering and the impersonal and unsubstantial nature of all material and mental phenomena of existence."
From this I take that vipassana is "intuitive"....and it is thus not "learned" per se.
From this I take that vipassana is "intuitive"....and it is thus not "learned" per se. [...] vipassana is not something that is "learned".
manasikara wrote:Hi MAV,
I've got an ex who really gives me hell (metaphorically speaking) from time to time, and kids who stay over most weekends. Although my relationship...
...for the most absurd reasons (she just entered puberty...yep).
Best of luck,
It is not Vipassana which is intuitive, it is the understanding coming from a vipassana meditation which is occuring in an intuitive manner. We learn anicca/impermanence by ourself, by the practise, not by reading. It occurs spontaneously when conditions are gathered to produce Panna/wisdom. BUT the method must be learned intellectually first, then by the practise, then by the adjustments during the interviews with a proper guide.
what do you think?
hoshin wrote:what do you think?
I think I'll read this article carefully... But before, I think what you call vipassana is maybe what I call Panna/wisdom which is the "result" of a vipassana meditation. Anyway, you're right, I use shortcuts. I should talk using "Satipatthana vipassana bhavana"...
So, I'll read this...
Nibbida wrote:From "Bringing the Monastery Home" by Shinzen Young:"One question I struggled with early on was how to make the practice doable by anyone, without watering down its intensity. When people read accounts of traditional monastic training, the usual reaction is, “If that’s what it takes to get enlightenment, I think I’ll wait for a few lifetimes.” And indeed it’s true. Most people have neither the time nor the inclination to do intensive formal meditation practice. Why should they? Isn’t there enough physical and emotional discomfort in ordinary life? Why intentionally seek it out?
But the monastery will come to each of us when we have to confront our fears, losses, compulsions and anxieties, or process the aftermath of trauma. The monastery comes to us in the form of emotional crisis, illness or injury, a phobia or a failed relationship. The question is whether we will be in a position to recognize and use it as such. If there were a way to help people maintain continuous quality meditation through intense real world challenges, anyone could experience insight and purification comparable to that of traditional renunciates’ regimes.
Children are just another monastery, and an intense one at that. Every single interaction with them is an opportunity for practicing mindfulness, equanimity, compassion--toward them and towards ourselves. The goal is to have a good understanding of the techniques and some practice with them, so that when the opportunity arises, you just apply them as best you can in the moment.
It doesn't mean we're going to be perfect parents. We're still going to slip up, although less and less so over time. Children are a terrific reminder that we're not as in control of life as we like to think. But we can develop equanimity with that, or have equanimity with our lack of equanimity at times (which I like to call "meta-equanimity"). And just when you think you've got them figured out, they go and change again.
The trick is to have the mindset and some level of skill in order recognize those opportunities. Otherwise, it's too easy to just feel overwhelmed and ignore the opportunities as they pass. Opportunities don't announce themselves unfortunately. But they're just sitting there waiting for us to recognize them. The nice thing is that purification happens even when the situation doesn't go as perfectly as we might have liked it to. It's the intentional practice that matters, and that gets results over time.
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