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Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby brahmabull » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:01 am

I've read here and elsewhere that the realization of Buddha and Arahant are the same. But are their bodies different in power, qualities, etc.? (According to Abhidamma)

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:16 am

I think majority of Theravada will have a view that Buddha is equivalent to Arahant due to their realization of what is called boddhi.

The difference other than that realization, such as their skills, cannot be used to differentiate Buddha and Arahant.
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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:00 am

I think the view of Bhikku Boddhi can enhance our view about it.

http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha335.htm
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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:32 am

This does not address the Abhidhamma, but it does address the issue of Buddha and the arahants from the stand point of the suttas:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9747&start=20#p149864

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9747&start=20#p149866

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby brahmabull » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:40 am

Hi Tilt,

I'm not following exactly the fluffy sutta and our guy their guy comment. Please clarify.

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby brahmabull » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:05 pm

Vasubhandu mentions in the Kosha that the Buddha's body is "Narayana" to house infinite knowledge. I'm wondering where this comes from.

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby brahmabull » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:51 pm

I see. Is there an unabridged English resource of Abhidhamma?

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Re: Body of a Buddha vs. Arahant in Abhidhamma

Postby Goedert » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:59 pm

They have the same realization of the 4 noble truth. An arahat may not have the same knowledge as the Buddha,.The knowledge of the Buddha is imensurable.


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