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Re: Two "truths"/"descriptions" and meditation in the suttas

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:49 am

Hi Retro,

Abhidhamma aside, I can't work out why you have an objection to the (to me) rather simple observation that thinking about complicated concepts can be broken down into a large number of more elementary steps. This is discussed in the context of papanca in the Honeyball sutta, which I quoted above () and can be observed for oneself.

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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:56 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:35 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Two "truths"/"descriptions" and meditation in the suttas

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:08 am

Greetings Tilt,

Mike is talking about the Honeyball Sutta - he is talking about breaking conceptual proliferation into its lower-level concomitant activities.

Thus, so am I... the difference is that I'm saying that all those lower-level activities are within loka. In contrast, modern Abhidhammikas work via a bifurcation of "concept" and "reality".... or in other words, "concepts" (which do not "Exist") and "reality" (comprising of "paramattha dhammas" which "Exist").

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Two "truths"/"descriptions" and meditation in the suttas

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:36 am

Greetings,

I suspect you guys are thinking of vittaka moreso than...

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Two "truths"/"descriptions" and meditation in the suttas

Postby nathan » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:41 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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