Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby Ben » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:16 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Learn this from the waters:
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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:20 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:25 am

It would be nice had the Buddhist from directly after the timer of the Buddha's death till now all lived up to the highest standards set by the Buddha, but they certainly did not. We could run through the catalogue of things such as monasteries having slaves, owning land, and whatnot, but here is what Mike said:


Expecting Asian Buddhists to change the way they are organised to cater for Western ideas seems a bit far-fetched to me. If Westerners want their own version of Buddhism it's really up to them to organise it.

If you feel like you have the authority to tell Asian Buddhists how to best live their lives, conduct their affairs and how best understand the Dhamma, go for it, show us how it done. In the mean time, those Westerners who try to understand the Dhamma, both in terms of its historic contexts and by putting it into practice, will be in a better place to try to adapt the Dhamma to Western needs.

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby Ben » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:34 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:35 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:39 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:50 am

Greetings Tilt,

Right - householders requesting bhikkhus to teach the Dhamma.

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:03 am

Greetings Tilt,

That's cool - I'm quite comfortable with where my allegiance lies.

:buddha1:

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:10 am

Greetings Tilt,

Or it's about Buddhavacana and the Triple Gem.

:buddha1:

Frame it as you see fit.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby Mr Man » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:17 am

Onward Buddhist soldiars.

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Re: Richard Gombrich - Comfort or Challenge?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:20 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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