Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

Postby Dan74 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:39 pm

Would it be fair to put it simply that mindfulness as recollection (of the Right View, of what is wholesome and unwholesome, of the Dhamma in general) forms the basis of practice much like sila, while mindfulness as bare awareness form the foundation of samadhi - discerning it as it is?

Naively I thought this is uncontroversial in all Buddhist schools, including Theravada. :shrug:

If Dmytro or others feel that many of us have gone wrong in our practice, I would appreciate a thread addressing Ven Analayo's exposition, both scripturally and substantially.

PS Thank you, Tilt, for attaching the scans of Ven Analayo's book - it's much like what I've been taught.

PPS I recall our old friend, Element, coming to ZFI and telling that we've all gone terribly wrong with our understanding of mindfulness and it is just about recollection. But we won't hold that against this thesis, will we.
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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

Postby alan » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:15 am

Focusing on "bare awareness" without a firm basis of concentration seems like a fruitless task.
Can we equate mindfulness, as a technique, with the realization of bare awareness?
For the purpose of the discussion I'll assume "bare awareness" is a state beyond what we can normally achieve through normal mindfulness, and that it is not a necessary outcome of mindfulness practice.

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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

Postby alan » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:56 am

Is the cultivation of bare attention the best way to cultivate concentration?

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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

Postby James the Giant » Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:13 am

I wonder when Samvega will be along to get us back on topic with the next installment?
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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

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Re: Satipatthana: The direct path to realization

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:05 am

Don't go quoting paragraphs of Pali with an actual translation.

And again, please stay on topic. Off topic msgs well be removed.

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